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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-9567</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that even criticism should be done with kindness (especially when dealing with an individual), I do feel that the majority of obesity is a result of gluttony, which is a form of wastefulness that I cannot condone.  Certainly, promising anyone that they're going to look fit and fabulous once they go vegan is not a good angle to take (as it might be a lie).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that even criticism should be done with kindness (especially when dealing with an individual), I do feel that the majority of obesity is a result of gluttony, which is a form of wastefulness that I cannot condone.  Certainly, promising anyone that they&#8217;re going to look fit and fabulous once they go vegan is not a good angle to take (as it might be a lie).</p>
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		<title>By: Jajajajono</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-9562</link>
		<dc:creator>Jajajajono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i support the animal rights movement and enviroment movement but Peta is a complete write-off in every way possible.www.petakillsanimals.com just put some research into 

also lawl at this "I don’t like to exersize and I love Rice Dream Cocoa Marble Fudge and I eat huge portions (trying to cut down) and I eat right before bed"
this guys a legend haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i support the animal rights movement and enviroment movement but Peta is a complete write-off in every way possible.www.petakillsanimals.com just put some research into </p>
<p>also lawl at this &#8220;I don’t like to exersize and I love Rice Dream Cocoa Marble Fudge and I eat huge portions (trying to cut down) and I eat right before bed&#8221;<br />
this guys a legend haha</p>
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		<title>By: johanna</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-8454</link>
		<dc:creator>johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really late comment here, but: yeah. The whole anti-fat strain in veganism really offends me too. As far as "fat but fit": I love the &lt;a href="http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/" rel="nofollow"&gt;illustrated BMI categories&lt;/a&gt; -- it's a slideshow (best seen w/the notes turned on so you can see the judgments that the BMI makes, along w/the person's weight) &#38; is just amazing in smashing stereotypes. I love love LOVE the several "morbidly obese" triathletes in there. I know for a fact they could kick my ass, &#38; I'm probably considered "skinny" (although according to the BMI I'm actually overweight)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really late comment here, but: yeah. The whole anti-fat strain in veganism really offends me too. As far as &#8220;fat but fit&#8221;: I love the <a href="http://kateharding.net/bmi-illustrated/" rel="nofollow">illustrated BMI categories</a> &#8212; it&#8217;s a slideshow (best seen w/the notes turned on so you can see the judgments that the BMI makes, along w/the person&#8217;s weight) &amp; is just amazing in smashing stereotypes. I love love LOVE the several &#8220;morbidly obese&#8221; triathletes in there. I know for a fact they could kick my ass, &amp; I&#8217;m probably considered &#8220;skinny&#8221; (although according to the BMI I&#8217;m actually overweight)!</p>
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		<title>By: cannibal vegetarian</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-8173</link>
		<dc:creator>cannibal vegetarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Moore has made himself a poster child for the health liability of obesity, not only by showing himself onscreen trying haul his bulk around"--Ingrid, is that you? LOL

As for Peta, can this be the same group that enthuses about all the varieties of vegan junk food available with its "I Can't Believe It's Vegan!" page at http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/ ?? 
Hooboy, look at all the crap on that list, cocoa puffs, oreos, ritz crackers, hershey syrup, bisquick, wonder bread, crisco etc. And the article starts out with "Being vegan doesn't mean you have to 
eat wheatgrass and alfalfa sprouts." Really! Well, being vegan doesn't mean you can have your cake/oreo/pop tart and eat it too, either. Either a vegan diet is invariably healthy or it isn't. I like Peta in general, and admire many of the things they've done. But they owe fat vegans--to borrow Vance's phrasing--a major apology and recantation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moore has made himself a poster child for the health liability of obesity, not only by showing himself onscreen trying haul his bulk around&#8221;&#8211;Ingrid, is that you? LOL</p>
<p>As for Peta, can this be the same group that enthuses about all the varieties of vegan junk food available with its &#8220;I Can&#8217;t Believe It&#8217;s Vegan!&#8221; page at <a href="http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/</a> ??<br />
Hooboy, look at all the crap on that list, cocoa puffs, oreos, ritz crackers, hershey syrup, bisquick, wonder bread, crisco etc. And the article starts out with &#8220;Being vegan doesn&#8217;t mean you have to<br />
eat wheatgrass and alfalfa sprouts.&#8221; Really! Well, being vegan doesn&#8217;t mean you can have your cake/oreo/pop tart and eat it too, either. Either a vegan diet is invariably healthy or it isn&#8217;t. I like Peta in general, and admire many of the things they&#8217;ve done. But they owe fat vegans&#8211;to borrow Vance&#8217;s phrasing&#8211;a major apology and recantation.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Roots &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Empty Cages #6</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-7718</link>
		<dc:creator>Deep Roots &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of Empty Cages #6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Focusing on PETA&#8217;s attack of Michael Moore and fat people in general, Ryan at Veg Blog discusses Anti-Fat Sentiment in Animal Rights. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Focusing on PETA&#8217;s attack of Michael Moore and fat people in general, Ryan at Veg Blog discusses Anti-Fat Sentiment in Animal Rights. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6291</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, my comment is not in defense of PETA's tactics or style. "[I]nsulting people to get them to give up animal products" has long been part of their strategy to which I object. 

However, I saw nothing in your post acknowledging that Moore has a real health problem, and instead you went off on this Fat and Fit stuff as though it applied to him. However the fat issue may be for others, Moore has made himself a poster child for the health liability of obesity, not only by showing himself onscreen trying haul his bulk around (seriously, did you see Sicko? I'm not exaggerating) but also by demonstrating (I believe it was in Dude, Where's My Country) an antagonistic ignorance about vegetarianism and nutrition. So I thought that angle needed to be covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, my comment is not in defense of PETA&#8217;s tactics or style. &#8220;[I]nsulting people to get them to give up animal products&#8221; has long been part of their strategy to which I object. </p>
<p>However, I saw nothing in your post acknowledging that Moore has a real health problem, and instead you went off on this Fat and Fit stuff as though it applied to him. However the fat issue may be for others, Moore has made himself a poster child for the health liability of obesity, not only by showing himself onscreen trying haul his bulk around (seriously, did you see Sicko? I&#8217;m not exaggerating) but also by demonstrating (I believe it was in Dude, Where&#8217;s My Country) an antagonistic ignorance about vegetarianism and nutrition. So I thought that angle needed to be covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazurii</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6189</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazurii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate how veg*nism always has to do with weight.  The hub and I went vegetarian after we married, and he's 125lbs.  People blame his weight on the vegetarianism, even though he weighed that much when we got married 2.5 yrs ago.  Heckling people about their weight, either over or under, is just ridiculous.  PETA needs to clean up their act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate how veg*nism always has to do with weight.  The hub and I went vegetarian after we married, and he&#8217;s 125lbs.  People blame his weight on the vegetarianism, even though he weighed that much when we got married 2.5 yrs ago.  Heckling people about their weight, either over or under, is just ridiculous.  PETA needs to clean up their act.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6187</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your point here in regards to PETA but overall I think PETA gets a bad rap. I look at PETA like I used to my highschool football coach - I listen to what they say and not how they say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your point here in regards to PETA but overall I think PETA gets a bad rap. I look at PETA like I used to my highschool football coach - I listen to what they say and not how they say it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lousy Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6183</link>
		<dc:creator>Lousy Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with this post. Some comments though sound like "being fat is healthy campaign". I can appreciate you're OK with the way you look as long as it doesn't turn into a self-delusion. Carrying around extra tissue that doesn't serve any useful purpose is NOT healthy and it's going to hit you you sooner or later, no matter how fit you think you are.

Let's say 20% body fat max is still healthy, not if you look anything like Michael Moore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with this post. Some comments though sound like &#8220;being fat is healthy campaign&#8221;. I can appreciate you&#8217;re OK with the way you look as long as it doesn&#8217;t turn into a self-delusion. Carrying around extra tissue that doesn&#8217;t serve any useful purpose is NOT healthy and it&#8217;s going to hit you you sooner or later, no matter how fit you think you are.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say 20% body fat max is still healthy, not if you look anything like Michael Moore.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6135</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno, Vance... even if he's criticized vegetarianism and is the unhealthiest guy on the planet, does that make it right for PETA to essentially say, "Hey, fatty, go veg!"  I don't think it does.

It would have been nicer if they took the "you didn't cover this in your movie" tact like many people did with Al Gore's omission of animal agriculture in &lt;em&gt;An Inconvenient Truth&lt;/em&gt;.  Referring to Michael Moore as an "elephant" is pretty damn tactless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, Vance&#8230; even if he&#8217;s criticized vegetarianism and is the unhealthiest guy on the planet, does that make it right for PETA to essentially say, &#8220;Hey, fatty, go veg!&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think it does.</p>
<p>It would have been nicer if they took the &#8220;you didn&#8217;t cover this in your movie&#8221; tact like many people did with Al Gore&#8217;s omission of animal agriculture in <em>An Inconvenient Truth</em>.  Referring to Michael Moore as an &#8220;elephant&#8221; is pretty damn tactless.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6132</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be the last person to defend PETA's grasp of public relations or sensitivity. But number one, anyone who has seen Sicko and watched Moore trying to walk knows there's no way in hell he can be described as "Fat but fit." Also, whatever he's saying now about eating fruits and vegetables, he has in the past been extremely, vocally ignorant about vegetarianism. He owes us all a major apology and recantation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be the last person to defend PETA&#8217;s grasp of public relations or sensitivity. But number one, anyone who has seen Sicko and watched Moore trying to walk knows there&#8217;s no way in hell he can be described as &#8220;Fat but fit.&#8221; Also, whatever he&#8217;s saying now about eating fruits and vegetables, he has in the past been extremely, vocally ignorant about vegetarianism. He owes us all a major apology and recantation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joselle</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-6087</link>
		<dc:creator>Joselle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great post. The anti-fat (and holier-than-thou) rhetoric in some vegetarian/vegan literature has been a real turn-off to me. Since giving up meat and poultry two months ago, I've actually GAINED weight. And before transitioning to a vegetarian diet, I lost a ton of weight eating a lot of meat. Calories and movement count the most. A 400 calorie vegan cookie is not a health food, no matter if its organic and lacking dairy! And one's waist size is not the only indicator of health.

As for Michael Moore, he says he actually lost weight while making Sicko and has spoken about how his weight is tied to his health status, so Ms. Newkirk hasn't entirely done her homework by making him a target. While Moore may still be a meat eater, he encourages eating your fruits and veggies and walking as part of being a health care activist, and that's a great stance no matter your diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post. The anti-fat (and holier-than-thou) rhetoric in some vegetarian/vegan literature has been a real turn-off to me. Since giving up meat and poultry two months ago, I&#8217;ve actually GAINED weight. And before transitioning to a vegetarian diet, I lost a ton of weight eating a lot of meat. Calories and movement count the most. A 400 calorie vegan cookie is not a health food, no matter if its organic and lacking dairy! And one&#8217;s waist size is not the only indicator of health.</p>
<p>As for Michael Moore, he says he actually lost weight while making Sicko and has spoken about how his weight is tied to his health status, so Ms. Newkirk hasn&#8217;t entirely done her homework by making him a target. While Moore may still be a meat eater, he encourages eating your fruits and veggies and walking as part of being a health care activist, and that&#8217;s a great stance no matter your diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-5869</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It stripped my pic....  http://whogivesacrap.net/gallery3/d/35545-1/P6200221.JPG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It stripped my pic&#8230;.  <a href="http://whogivesacrap.net/gallery3/d/35545-1/P6200221.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://whogivesacrap.net/gallery3/d/35545-1/P6200221.JPG</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-5868</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a fat vegan too!  I have been vegan for over 12 years. 



I don't like to exersize and I love Rice Dream Cocoa Marble Fudge and I eat huge portions (trying to cut down) and I eat right before bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a fat vegan too!  I have been vegan for over 12 years. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to exersize and I love Rice Dream Cocoa Marble Fudge and I eat huge portions (trying to cut down) and I eat right before bed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/07/02/anti-fat-sentiment-in-animal-rights/#comment-5854</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeesh, why does Ingrid Newkirk have to be such a freak? She's personally responsible for the majority of Peta's bad rep.

The first vegan I ever met weighed 250 pounds. She lived on nothing but potato chips and peanut butter straight from the jar (didn't care for fruit or vegetables at all). Choosing to not eat animals doesn't magically bestow someone with the knowledge and skill set to choose and prepare healthy foods.

And there's plenty of heavier folks, myself included, who eat healthfully (and are vegetarian or vegan) and exercise regularly, who just happen to be big because that's they way nature made us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeesh, why does Ingrid Newkirk have to be such a freak? She&#8217;s personally responsible for the majority of Peta&#8217;s bad rep.</p>
<p>The first vegan I ever met weighed 250 pounds. She lived on nothing but potato chips and peanut butter straight from the jar (didn&#8217;t care for fruit or vegetables at all). Choosing to not eat animals doesn&#8217;t magically bestow someone with the knowledge and skill set to choose and prepare healthy foods.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s plenty of heavier folks, myself included, who eat healthfully (and are vegetarian or vegan) and exercise regularly, who just happen to be big because that&#8217;s they way nature made us.</p>
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