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	<title>Comments on: Tips for New Vegans: Dealing With Ex-Vegans</title>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/comment-page-1/#comment-13377</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a vegan for 2 years before falling off the wagon last summer during a holiday in greece (it was too hard to resist homemade veggie lasagna after 4 glasses of wine, and it was downhill from there).  I haven&#039;t even told most people that I now eat eggs and dairy (especially people who either really admired me for it, or went out of their way to make me vegan food, the guilt is too much)  because I&#039;m so ashamed.  I know how horrendously cruel it is, but for some reason my will power has just gone right out the window and I can&#039;t get it back.  

The point of me saying this, is that I used to get really mad when ex-vegans would get on their soapbox and tell me just how unhealthy is is not to eat dairy (since, as most people agree that vegetarianism is healthy, dairy is what these people must have the problem with, right?).  It really annoys me when people who simply lose their willpower (like me) are too proud to say it, and instead try to get others to come down to their level, to make themselves feel better, or right.  

A woman I know used to be a vegetarian (it was the little lambs that did it, she sniffed) but now eats anything that walks, and once sat and gave me a lecture about how she was literally dying without meat, and had to go &#039;back on it&#039; for health reasons *cough bullsh!t*.  If that was true, you would think these people, having felt so compassionately about animals in the past, would eat the bare minimum of meat to keep their poor wasted bodies going, but I often find that they have meat every day (and with most meals).

Anyway, although the advice in this blog is the most polite way to deal with ex-vegans, you have to ask yourself why they care so much, as to interrogate you on your food choices.  Tell them to eat what they want and you&#039;ll eat what you want, because I bet they&#039;re only trying to get you to convert back to make themselves feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a vegan for 2 years before falling off the wagon last summer during a holiday in greece (it was too hard to resist homemade veggie lasagna after 4 glasses of wine, and it was downhill from there).  I haven&#8217;t even told most people that I now eat eggs and dairy (especially people who either really admired me for it, or went out of their way to make me vegan food, the guilt is too much)  because I&#8217;m so ashamed.  I know how horrendously cruel it is, but for some reason my will power has just gone right out the window and I can&#8217;t get it back.  </p>
<p>The point of me saying this, is that I used to get really mad when ex-vegans would get on their soapbox and tell me just how unhealthy is is not to eat dairy (since, as most people agree that vegetarianism is healthy, dairy is what these people must have the problem with, right?).  It really annoys me when people who simply lose their willpower (like me) are too proud to say it, and instead try to get others to come down to their level, to make themselves feel better, or right.  </p>
<p>A woman I know used to be a vegetarian (it was the little lambs that did it, she sniffed) but now eats anything that walks, and once sat and gave me a lecture about how she was literally dying without meat, and had to go &#8216;back on it&#8217; for health reasons *cough bullsh!t*.  If that was true, you would think these people, having felt so compassionately about animals in the past, would eat the bare minimum of meat to keep their poor wasted bodies going, but I often find that they have meat every day (and with most meals).</p>
<p>Anyway, although the advice in this blog is the most polite way to deal with ex-vegans, you have to ask yourself why they care so much, as to interrogate you on your food choices.  Tell them to eat what they want and you&#8217;ll eat what you want, because I bet they&#8217;re only trying to get you to convert back to make themselves feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan -- This article might help shed some light on things, too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8212; This article might help shed some light on things, too: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, I feel the best bet with soy foods, just like any other food, is to eat it mostly in it&#039;s whole state.  Tofu, tempeh, cooked soybeans are all great.  It&#039;s when it starts getting overly processed that you can run into problems.

Now, I also think it&#039;s okay to occasionally eat processed soy foods, like faux meats and such, but think of them as a treat.

If thyroid problems run in your family or you already have a thyroid problem then consume less soy.  But be aware there is a lot of soy in packaged food, so read labels.  My mom has hypothyroidism and is careful with her consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, I feel the best bet with soy foods, just like any other food, is to eat it mostly in it&#8217;s whole state.  Tofu, tempeh, cooked soybeans are all great.  It&#8217;s when it starts getting overly processed that you can run into problems.</p>
<p>Now, I also think it&#8217;s okay to occasionally eat processed soy foods, like faux meats and such, but think of them as a treat.</p>
<p>If thyroid problems run in your family or you already have a thyroid problem then consume less soy.  But be aware there is a lot of soy in packaged food, so read labels.  My mom has hypothyroidism and is careful with her consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped eating meat and dairy on 1 Jan after reading the book &quot;Skinny Bitch&quot; over the holidays.  So now I&#039;m eating a lot of soy-based substitutes and I&#039;m coming across articles and commentary that eating too much soy can cause severe health problems (hyperthyroidism, etc).  Can anyone shed some light onto this?  I&#039;d rather make adjustments to my diet now than later after I&#039;ve developed some terrible health problems. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped eating meat and dairy on 1 Jan after reading the book &#8220;Skinny Bitch&#8221; over the holidays.  So now I&#8217;m eating a lot of soy-based substitutes and I&#8217;m coming across articles and commentary that eating too much soy can cause severe health problems (hyperthyroidism, etc).  Can anyone shed some light onto this?  I&#8217;d rather make adjustments to my diet now than later after I&#8217;ve developed some terrible health problems. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. reading these comments is amazing to me. i&#039;ve been vegan for ten years. i think what many vegans need to learn is to be compassionate to all animals, including humans. i am reluctant to tell people i am vegan because of the attitudes of so many vegans out there. don&#039;t get me wrong, meat eaters can irk me like no other with their self righteous attitudes and passive aggressive (or just aggressive) questions. but i would love to believe that a person who follows a diet that is based on compassion, would have compassion for people as well, and maybe a little bit of understanding. to me, eating animals is unthinkable but i love many many meat eaters out there and would never question their choices just as i hope they would never question or disrespect mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. reading these comments is amazing to me. i&#8217;ve been vegan for ten years. i think what many vegans need to learn is to be compassionate to all animals, including humans. i am reluctant to tell people i am vegan because of the attitudes of so many vegans out there. don&#8217;t get me wrong, meat eaters can irk me like no other with their self righteous attitudes and passive aggressive (or just aggressive) questions. but i would love to believe that a person who follows a diet that is based on compassion, would have compassion for people as well, and maybe a little bit of understanding. to me, eating animals is unthinkable but i love many many meat eaters out there and would never question their choices just as i hope they would never question or disrespect mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/comment-page-1/#comment-13222</link>
		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s okay, if this were my blog I think I would have a lot of knee-jerk reactions, especially with a lot of the &quot;uplifting&quot; comments that crop up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay, if this were my blog I think I would have a lot of knee-jerk reactions, especially with a lot of the &#8220;uplifting&#8221; comments that crop up.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, you seem to be correct, Krista.  My snarkiness was a bit too reactionary this time around!

Apologies, Ayurvedic Doctor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, you seem to be correct, Krista.  My snarkiness was a bit too reactionary this time around!</p>
<p>Apologies, Ayurvedic Doctor!</p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may have read him wrong, Ryan.  He&#039;s missing at least one comma.  He is saying if you are considering returning to meat then research the Ayurvedic diet first and learn that it isn&#039;t needed.  He&#039;s saying add healthy saturated fats into your diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may have read him wrong, Ryan.  He&#8217;s missing at least one comma.  He is saying if you are considering returning to meat then research the Ayurvedic diet first and learn that it isn&#8217;t needed.  He&#8217;s saying add healthy saturated fats into your diet.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I would encourage all vegans thinking about returning to eating meat&lt;/em&gt;

Or not.

Thanks for your other input, but trying to encourage vegans to eat meat is not welcome on a blog focused on ethical veganism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I would encourage all vegans thinking about returning to eating meat</em></p>
<p>Or not.</p>
<p>Thanks for your other input, but trying to encourage vegans to eat meat is not welcome on a blog focused on ethical veganism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayurvedic Doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayurvedic Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve found that many of my patients who are having trouble on a pure vegan diet start doing better after adding some saturated fat back (coconut milk, oil, or even ghee).  It is my personal feeling that those who &quot;feel better&quot; after eating meat aren&#039;t necessarily missing the protein, but perhaps the fat (needs further study).   Also, changing how food is prepared can help with many symptoms (ie, cooking with heeng or asofoetida can help reduce gas formation when eating beans).

In ancient times, milk was always drawn from a humanely treated cow, but only after her calf had fed.  The feeling was that milk is a product of the love a mother had for her offspring, and it is something that should not be messed with.   Any breastfeeding mother can attest to the dynamic nature of milk production.   It is no wonder that milk that comes from stressed cows is disease inducing.  As an aside, Ayurvedic medicine encourages milk to be consumed warm, which possibly reduces the harmful animal protein effect.

I would encourage all vegans thinking about returning to eating meat, as well as ex-vegans who shifted for &quot;health reasons&quot; to read a bit more about the Ayurvedic diet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that many of my patients who are having trouble on a pure vegan diet start doing better after adding some saturated fat back (coconut milk, oil, or even ghee).  It is my personal feeling that those who &#8220;feel better&#8221; after eating meat aren&#8217;t necessarily missing the protein, but perhaps the fat (needs further study).   Also, changing how food is prepared can help with many symptoms (ie, cooking with heeng or asofoetida can help reduce gas formation when eating beans).</p>
<p>In ancient times, milk was always drawn from a humanely treated cow, but only after her calf had fed.  The feeling was that milk is a product of the love a mother had for her offspring, and it is something that should not be messed with.   Any breastfeeding mother can attest to the dynamic nature of milk production.   It is no wonder that milk that comes from stressed cows is disease inducing.  As an aside, Ayurvedic medicine encourages milk to be consumed warm, which possibly reduces the harmful animal protein effect.</p>
<p>I would encourage all vegans thinking about returning to eating meat, as well as ex-vegans who shifted for &#8220;health reasons&#8221; to read a bit more about the Ayurvedic diet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to read all these comments. I wonder why people are so angry? I&#039;m an ex-vegan (yes, now I&#039;ll get angry comments too) but I was very active vegan and animal rights activist for many years. I raised two vegan children and started eating certain fish during my third pregnancy. Trying to keep my story short. Anyway, it seems like people are talking about morals vs health. What always has bothered me with the vegan world is 1: Angry vegans (I don&#039;t know what your problem is and who do you think you are telling people how to live) 2: The fact that vegans proudly talk about the health benefits of plant food but keep quiet about negative info about veganism. 3: Vegans think they are better than others.
It reminds me a little of brainwashed religions. Everyone has to make their own decisions for themselves. While I was a vegan I had a great friendship with a non vegan. She did SO many amazing things better than me. She used cloth diapers on all her children, she knitted most of their clothes herself etc. No body is perfect and it bothers me that people act like they are God! Where does your soy come from? Where do all your clothes come from? Do you buy EVERYTHING organic? And local? And who ever drives a car consumes gelatin from tires. The list goes on. As a vegan, I never had problems with people not respecting me, but I always respected them for their decisions. Comments like &quot;people are pussies. that’s it. they don’t care enough about the ethics of it, they’re lazy and easily misled&quot; shows how much many vegans have to learn still. It is very immature and will DEFINITELY not convince anyone to live like them. Come join my misery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read all these comments. I wonder why people are so angry? I&#8217;m an ex-vegan (yes, now I&#8217;ll get angry comments too) but I was very active vegan and animal rights activist for many years. I raised two vegan children and started eating certain fish during my third pregnancy. Trying to keep my story short. Anyway, it seems like people are talking about morals vs health. What always has bothered me with the vegan world is 1: Angry vegans (I don&#8217;t know what your problem is and who do you think you are telling people how to live) 2: The fact that vegans proudly talk about the health benefits of plant food but keep quiet about negative info about veganism. 3: Vegans think they are better than others.<br />
It reminds me a little of brainwashed religions. Everyone has to make their own decisions for themselves. While I was a vegan I had a great friendship with a non vegan. She did SO many amazing things better than me. She used cloth diapers on all her children, she knitted most of their clothes herself etc. No body is perfect and it bothers me that people act like they are God! Where does your soy come from? Where do all your clothes come from? Do you buy EVERYTHING organic? And local? And who ever drives a car consumes gelatin from tires. The list goes on. As a vegan, I never had problems with people not respecting me, but I always respected them for their decisions. Comments like &#8220;people are pussies. that’s it. they don’t care enough about the ethics of it, they’re lazy and easily misled&#8221; shows how much many vegans have to learn still. It is very immature and will DEFINITELY not convince anyone to live like them. Come join my misery?</p>
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		<title>By: libbyblue</title>
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		<dc:creator>libbyblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i tried being vegan for eight months, but ultimately had to resume an omnivorous diet for health reasons.  i have struggled with disordered eating for my entire life.  i am still not particularly good at self-care.  the more i have to think about the food i eat, the more opportunities there are for me to be dragged back into the cycle of self-hatred and self-starvation because food is evil.  in a society where the vegan diet was the norm, i could probably follow it (minus the soy -- thyroid issues) with no more trouble than i experience on an omnivorous diet now (which is still considerable, but something i can function with).  we do not live in such a society.  living vegan requires a tremendous amount of thought, and thoughts can harm or even kill me.  i still purchase vegan products (choosing a hemp belt over a leather one isn&#039;t going to trigger my particular health problems) and prefer to consume vegan foods when i can, but the calculations and the label-reading and the timed meals to try avoid letting my mind lapse into starvation mode are just too much for me.  i&#039;m a reluctant omnivore.  i&#039;m still not going to use my personal issues to try to discourage others from pursuing an animal-free lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i tried being vegan for eight months, but ultimately had to resume an omnivorous diet for health reasons.  i have struggled with disordered eating for my entire life.  i am still not particularly good at self-care.  the more i have to think about the food i eat, the more opportunities there are for me to be dragged back into the cycle of self-hatred and self-starvation because food is evil.  in a society where the vegan diet was the norm, i could probably follow it (minus the soy &#8212; thyroid issues) with no more trouble than i experience on an omnivorous diet now (which is still considerable, but something i can function with).  we do not live in such a society.  living vegan requires a tremendous amount of thought, and thoughts can harm or even kill me.  i still purchase vegan products (choosing a hemp belt over a leather one isn&#8217;t going to trigger my particular health problems) and prefer to consume vegan foods when i can, but the calculations and the label-reading and the timed meals to try avoid letting my mind lapse into starvation mode are just too much for me.  i&#8217;m a reluctant omnivore.  i&#8217;m still not going to use my personal issues to try to discourage others from pursuing an animal-free lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned-veggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned-veggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a bunch of self-righteous assholes!</description>
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		<title>By: b</title>
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		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. That may be true.
 I&#039;m still feeling this out.

 I will say, (and I admitted this when I was vegan (and raw vegan))sometimes more things are killed by flying produce here from all over the world than killing one deer.
 There is no one-set rules per se.
 Some fruitarians are responsible for way more harm to animals and the environment than some hunter/gatherers--and vice versa of course.

 I am not taking this lightly. I am making yogurt, eating it, listening to my body as well as my conscience, and seeing for myself what&#039;s going on.

 Ryan, I appreciate the response. I am sure that may also be true for goats as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. That may be true.<br />
 I&#8217;m still feeling this out.</p>
<p> I will say, (and I admitted this when I was vegan (and raw vegan))sometimes more things are killed by flying produce here from all over the world than killing one deer.<br />
 There is no one-set rules per se.<br />
 Some fruitarians are responsible for way more harm to animals and the environment than some hunter/gatherers&#8211;and vice versa of course.</p>
<p> I am not taking this lightly. I am making yogurt, eating it, listening to my body as well as my conscience, and seeing for myself what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p> Ryan, I appreciate the response. I am sure that may also be true for goats as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;By the way, a meat eater does not have to eat factory farmed meat and a milk drinker can drink milk from a farmer that treats the cow well and does not pasteurize the milk—so the slaughter/cruelty thing should be left out of the discussion.&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry, but that&#039;s wrong.

It doesn&#039;t matter if the milk is raw/unpasteurized/organic/whatever -- the cow still needs to be impregnated, her calves will still be taken away from her so that her milk can be used, and when she&#039;s &quot;spent,&quot; she&#039;ll be killed for meat.  So slaughter and cruelty absolutely cannot be left out of the discussion.</description>
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<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if the milk is raw/unpasteurized/organic/whatever &#8212; the cow still needs to be impregnated, her calves will still be taken away from her so that her milk can be used, and when she&#8217;s &#8220;spent,&#8221; she&#8217;ll be killed for meat.  So slaughter and cruelty absolutely cannot be left out of the discussion.</p>
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