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	<title>Comments on: Tips for New Vegans: Dealing With Ex-Vegans</title>
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	<description>No pork on my fork, [and never] fish on my dish.</description>
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		<title>By: Madhava Das</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-14674</link>
		<dc:creator>Madhava Das</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re only here for a short time anyway.  I don&#039;t care if I die from it - I will NEVER eat meat or animal product. 

You do what you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re only here for a short time anyway.  I don&#8217;t care if I die from it &#8211; I will NEVER eat meat or animal product. </p>
<p>You do what you like.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-14282</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why you think ex-vegans are going to take the word of the PCRM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you think ex-vegans are going to take the word of the PCRM.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13809</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Crystal. Veganism without love is soulless. I am vegan and I encourage those around me to join me, but I try to approach with love and kindness rather than anger and judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Crystal. Veganism without love is soulless. I am vegan and I encourage those around me to join me, but I try to approach with love and kindness rather than anger and judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13803</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I was happy to read all of the above comments. 

Only, one thing shocks the very core of my being. 

The love, compassion and respect given so freely to animals should also be given AS freely to human beings by being polite and respectful. 

Who are we to judge. Who are we to point fingers. No one here is flawed. And if I were to choose the MAIN carateristic for the vegan/vegetarian community and the example we are supposed to set for one another and for those who do not share our opinions it would be LOVE LOVE LOVE !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I was happy to read all of the above comments. </p>
<p>Only, one thing shocks the very core of my being. </p>
<p>The love, compassion and respect given so freely to animals should also be given AS freely to human beings by being polite and respectful. </p>
<p>Who are we to judge. Who are we to point fingers. No one here is flawed. And if I were to choose the MAIN carateristic for the vegan/vegetarian community and the example we are supposed to set for one another and for those who do not share our opinions it would be LOVE LOVE LOVE !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13649</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Sorry about the grammar and typos in that comment. Must be the lack of protein going to my brain! Ha ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Sorry about the grammar and typos in that comment. Must be the lack of protein going to my brain! Ha ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13648</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been having a lot of encounters lately with ex-vegan &quot;paleo&quot; diets (or &quot;groks,&quot; as they apparently like to call themselves), who are far more militant than any fellow vegan I&#039;ve ever met.

I have to laugh at their presumption, and confess to enjoying the site of their squirming once I reveal that I&#039;m a paleontology student and demonstrate that I know more about human evolution than they do.

But still, they seem to be getting more common, and I wish they&#039;re fad would just wither away.

You offer great advice for this problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having a lot of encounters lately with ex-vegan &#8220;paleo&#8221; diets (or &#8220;groks,&#8221; as they apparently like to call themselves), who are far more militant than any fellow vegan I&#8217;ve ever met.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at their presumption, and confess to enjoying the site of their squirming once I reveal that I&#8217;m a paleontology student and demonstrate that I know more about human evolution than they do.</p>
<p>But still, they seem to be getting more common, and I wish they&#8217;re fad would just wither away.</p>
<p>You offer great advice for this problem!</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-Vegan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex-Vegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After having been vegan for almost ten years I can say with more experience than most vegans that, for a lot of people, this lifestyle choice is dangerous. I used to be one of those brainwashed people who scoffed at those who couldn&#039;t remain vegan, saying they were &#039;lazy&#039;, &#039;doing it wrong&#039; or were &#039;junk food vegans&#039;.

There may be situations where people can thrive on veganism, and I&#039;ll never discount that. I do, however, now strongly believe they are exceptions.

I almost died because I was vegan.

There&#039;s no more and no less to that story. I don&#039;t want to get into specifics, because it&#039;s a lot of pain and anguish but in the end I had to begin consuming animal products again. I wasn&#039;t a junk food vegan. I ate very, very well and took supplements. My health went severely downhill after about six years.

I already expect most vegans to take it harshly. It&#039;s like a personal attack on their diet choices, and in some ways it is. Being vegan is dangerous to some, and the dangers of it need to be addressed and clearly stated to those who are considering beginning the diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After having been vegan for almost ten years I can say with more experience than most vegans that, for a lot of people, this lifestyle choice is dangerous. I used to be one of those brainwashed people who scoffed at those who couldn&#8217;t remain vegan, saying they were &#8216;lazy&#8217;, &#8216;doing it wrong&#8217; or were &#8216;junk food vegans&#8217;.</p>
<p>There may be situations where people can thrive on veganism, and I&#8217;ll never discount that. I do, however, now strongly believe they are exceptions.</p>
<p>I almost died because I was vegan.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no more and no less to that story. I don&#8217;t want to get into specifics, because it&#8217;s a lot of pain and anguish but in the end I had to begin consuming animal products again. I wasn&#8217;t a junk food vegan. I ate very, very well and took supplements. My health went severely downhill after about six years.</p>
<p>I already expect most vegans to take it harshly. It&#8217;s like a personal attack on their diet choices, and in some ways it is. Being vegan is dangerous to some, and the dangers of it need to be addressed and clearly stated to those who are considering beginning the diet.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13399</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.

Women can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet throughout pregnancy and during nursing, as even the conservative ADA has said.

Thanks for sharing your story, but you can hang onto the advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Women can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet throughout pregnancy and during nursing, as even the conservative ADA has said.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your story, but you can hang onto the advice.</p>
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		<title>By: ExVegan#1921892329</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13398</link>
		<dc:creator>ExVegan#1921892329</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to add, that it&#039;s not just my ex vegan children with the tooth decay. Naomi Aldort has worked with tons of vegan families and said most if not all of them have tooth decay! http://mothering.com/health/child-refuses-healthy-food
This is a serious concern. When I was researching what to do about my children&#039;s teeth and about vegan children, I found more and more vegan children with decay. I found fully grown people who had been raised vegan and raw who have now had children with rotten mouthfuls of teeth! I used to think I had the supreme diet and that I was feeding my children the supreme, life giving diet. Boy was I brainwashed. If you are vegan and considering pregnancy, please think about using animal products at least while pregnant and breastfeeding. Raw milk and local eggs are highly nutritious. You don&#039;t even have to eat loads of it! You can just add a bit in to cover your bases. You might feel better too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to add, that it&#8217;s not just my ex vegan children with the tooth decay. Naomi Aldort has worked with tons of vegan families and said most if not all of them have tooth decay! <a href="http://mothering.com/health/child-refuses-healthy-food" rel="nofollow">http://mothering.com/health/child-refuses-healthy-food</a><br />
This is a serious concern. When I was researching what to do about my children&#8217;s teeth and about vegan children, I found more and more vegan children with decay. I found fully grown people who had been raised vegan and raw who have now had children with rotten mouthfuls of teeth! I used to think I had the supreme diet and that I was feeding my children the supreme, life giving diet. Boy was I brainwashed. If you are vegan and considering pregnancy, please think about using animal products at least while pregnant and breastfeeding. Raw milk and local eggs are highly nutritious. You don&#8217;t even have to eat loads of it! You can just add a bit in to cover your bases. You might feel better too.</p>
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		<title>By: ExVegan#1921892329</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13396</link>
		<dc:creator>ExVegan#1921892329</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an ex vegan. I was vegan for 16 years, had two vegan pregnancies and finally last year I threw in the towel. My oldest child had rotting teeth and my younger had a few cavities so I completely changed their diets. I added in raw milk and raw cheese, local eggs and sometimes fish. My youngest child&#039;s decay has stopped! My children are healthier and happier! They never did get THAT sick, but now they NEVER get sick! I am so relieved. I was a hard core vegan too! I never thought it would come to this, but my children mean more to me than a special diet. I myself have only eaten eggs and dairy in things. I haven&#039;t brought myself to eat meat yet. It&#039;s a long process, and my mind is having to be completely trained to think differently than I have for half my life. I wish I had never gone vegan in the first place! The first years of the diet I was so malnourished because I didn&#039;t know what I was doing. Things got better, but I&#039;ve never felt normal. I have always needed excessive amounts of sleep. I have always supplemented with B12 too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an ex vegan. I was vegan for 16 years, had two vegan pregnancies and finally last year I threw in the towel. My oldest child had rotting teeth and my younger had a few cavities so I completely changed their diets. I added in raw milk and raw cheese, local eggs and sometimes fish. My youngest child&#8217;s decay has stopped! My children are healthier and happier! They never did get THAT sick, but now they NEVER get sick! I am so relieved. I was a hard core vegan too! I never thought it would come to this, but my children mean more to me than a special diet. I myself have only eaten eggs and dairy in things. I haven&#8217;t brought myself to eat meat yet. It&#8217;s a long process, and my mind is having to be completely trained to think differently than I have for half my life. I wish I had never gone vegan in the first place! The first years of the diet I was so malnourished because I didn&#8217;t know what I was doing. Things got better, but I&#8217;ve never felt normal. I have always needed excessive amounts of sleep. I have always supplemented with B12 too.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13377</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a vegan for 2 years before falling off the wagon last summer during a holiday in greece (it was too hard to resist homemade veggie lasagna after 4 glasses of wine, and it was downhill from there).  I haven&#039;t even told most people that I now eat eggs and dairy (especially people who either really admired me for it, or went out of their way to make me vegan food, the guilt is too much)  because I&#039;m so ashamed.  I know how horrendously cruel it is, but for some reason my will power has just gone right out the window and I can&#039;t get it back.  

The point of me saying this, is that I used to get really mad when ex-vegans would get on their soapbox and tell me just how unhealthy is is not to eat dairy (since, as most people agree that vegetarianism is healthy, dairy is what these people must have the problem with, right?).  It really annoys me when people who simply lose their willpower (like me) are too proud to say it, and instead try to get others to come down to their level, to make themselves feel better, or right.  

A woman I know used to be a vegetarian (it was the little lambs that did it, she sniffed) but now eats anything that walks, and once sat and gave me a lecture about how she was literally dying without meat, and had to go &#039;back on it&#039; for health reasons *cough bullsh!t*.  If that was true, you would think these people, having felt so compassionately about animals in the past, would eat the bare minimum of meat to keep their poor wasted bodies going, but I often find that they have meat every day (and with most meals).

Anyway, although the advice in this blog is the most polite way to deal with ex-vegans, you have to ask yourself why they care so much, as to interrogate you on your food choices.  Tell them to eat what they want and you&#039;ll eat what you want, because I bet they&#039;re only trying to get you to convert back to make themselves feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a vegan for 2 years before falling off the wagon last summer during a holiday in greece (it was too hard to resist homemade veggie lasagna after 4 glasses of wine, and it was downhill from there).  I haven&#8217;t even told most people that I now eat eggs and dairy (especially people who either really admired me for it, or went out of their way to make me vegan food, the guilt is too much)  because I&#8217;m so ashamed.  I know how horrendously cruel it is, but for some reason my will power has just gone right out the window and I can&#8217;t get it back.  </p>
<p>The point of me saying this, is that I used to get really mad when ex-vegans would get on their soapbox and tell me just how unhealthy is is not to eat dairy (since, as most people agree that vegetarianism is healthy, dairy is what these people must have the problem with, right?).  It really annoys me when people who simply lose their willpower (like me) are too proud to say it, and instead try to get others to come down to their level, to make themselves feel better, or right.  </p>
<p>A woman I know used to be a vegetarian (it was the little lambs that did it, she sniffed) but now eats anything that walks, and once sat and gave me a lecture about how she was literally dying without meat, and had to go &#8216;back on it&#8217; for health reasons *cough bullsh!t*.  If that was true, you would think these people, having felt so compassionately about animals in the past, would eat the bare minimum of meat to keep their poor wasted bodies going, but I often find that they have meat every day (and with most meals).</p>
<p>Anyway, although the advice in this blog is the most polite way to deal with ex-vegans, you have to ask yourself why they care so much, as to interrogate you on your food choices.  Tell them to eat what they want and you&#8217;ll eat what you want, because I bet they&#8217;re only trying to get you to convert back to make themselves feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-13356</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan -- This article might help shed some light on things, too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8212; This article might help shed some light on things, too: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/settling-the-soy-controve_b_453966.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Krista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, I feel the best bet with soy foods, just like any other food, is to eat it mostly in it&#039;s whole state.  Tofu, tempeh, cooked soybeans are all great.  It&#039;s when it starts getting overly processed that you can run into problems.

Now, I also think it&#039;s okay to occasionally eat processed soy foods, like faux meats and such, but think of them as a treat.

If thyroid problems run in your family or you already have a thyroid problem then consume less soy.  But be aware there is a lot of soy in packaged food, so read labels.  My mom has hypothyroidism and is careful with her consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, I feel the best bet with soy foods, just like any other food, is to eat it mostly in it&#8217;s whole state.  Tofu, tempeh, cooked soybeans are all great.  It&#8217;s when it starts getting overly processed that you can run into problems.</p>
<p>Now, I also think it&#8217;s okay to occasionally eat processed soy foods, like faux meats and such, but think of them as a treat.</p>
<p>If thyroid problems run in your family or you already have a thyroid problem then consume less soy.  But be aware there is a lot of soy in packaged food, so read labels.  My mom has hypothyroidism and is careful with her consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped eating meat and dairy on 1 Jan after reading the book &quot;Skinny Bitch&quot; over the holidays.  So now I&#039;m eating a lot of soy-based substitutes and I&#039;m coming across articles and commentary that eating too much soy can cause severe health problems (hyperthyroidism, etc).  Can anyone shed some light onto this?  I&#039;d rather make adjustments to my diet now than later after I&#039;ve developed some terrible health problems. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped eating meat and dairy on 1 Jan after reading the book &#8220;Skinny Bitch&#8221; over the holidays.  So now I&#8217;m eating a lot of soy-based substitutes and I&#8217;m coming across articles and commentary that eating too much soy can cause severe health problems (hyperthyroidism, etc).  Can anyone shed some light onto this?  I&#8217;d rather make adjustments to my diet now than later after I&#8217;ve developed some terrible health problems. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow. reading these comments is amazing to me. i&#039;ve been vegan for ten years. i think what many vegans need to learn is to be compassionate to all animals, including humans. i am reluctant to tell people i am vegan because of the attitudes of so many vegans out there. don&#039;t get me wrong, meat eaters can irk me like no other with their self righteous attitudes and passive aggressive (or just aggressive) questions. but i would love to believe that a person who follows a diet that is based on compassion, would have compassion for people as well, and maybe a little bit of understanding. to me, eating animals is unthinkable but i love many many meat eaters out there and would never question their choices just as i hope they would never question or disrespect mine.</description>
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