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	<title>Comments on: Tips for New Vegans: Dealing With Ex-Vegans</title>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-10265</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, I haven't read all the comments. Stephen Byrnes had AIDS. He tried to save his own life before he died of a stroke. Rupture strokes are common in people suffering AIDS.

Genetics is a large factor in our diet. There are many people who have had great health while eating a vegan diet. I tried to eat healthy as a vegan, made sure to get 4-5 servings of grains, 3 servings of beans, 5-6 servings of fruit and lots of vegetables. I could not function very well as I do on a diet with meat in it. Feel free to disagree but I don't think a vegan diet's for everybody. I think both sides could benefit from each other instead of pulling wild assumptions about the other. "Vegans are just stupid, clueless skinny hippies." "Meat eaters kill intentionally by eating meat and funding the slaughter houses."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this has been posted yet, I haven&#8217;t read all the comments. Stephen Byrnes had AIDS. He tried to save his own life before he died of a stroke. Rupture strokes are common in people suffering AIDS.</p>
<p>Genetics is a large factor in our diet. There are many people who have had great health while eating a vegan diet. I tried to eat healthy as a vegan, made sure to get 4-5 servings of grains, 3 servings of beans, 5-6 servings of fruit and lots of vegetables. I could not function very well as I do on a diet with meat in it. Feel free to disagree but I don&#8217;t think a vegan diet&#8217;s for everybody. I think both sides could benefit from each other instead of pulling wild assumptions about the other. &#8220;Vegans are just stupid, clueless skinny hippies.&#8221; &#8220;Meat eaters kill intentionally by eating meat and funding the slaughter houses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BenevolentVeg</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2007/03/29/tips-for-new-vegans-dealing-with-ex-vegans/#comment-9739</link>
		<dc:creator>BenevolentVeg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan's suggestions are well meaning, but the passive-aggressive email follow up erks me... sounds a little too much like a page out of the religious fanatics handbook for bringing ex-members "back into the fold."  Anything that makes vegans seem cultish only works against us in my opinion.  We should be encouraging and supporting those who try to reduce animal products in their diet, not attacking and questioning the motives of people who have to keep some products in their diets for health reasons.  Strict vegan diets work great for some people, but not for others, and we all need to respect each others choices.  Anyone who takes the time to learn about the animal welfare/environmental issues involved in their diet choices and makes the effort to change their lifestyles accordingly, to whatever extent they can is not our enemy.  Ignorance of the issues is our enemy, the disconnect between the suffering of farm animals and the tasty steak sitting on the plate.  The people who pity the cute little baby calf on the farm, then order veal for dinner, they are the people we need to figure out how to reach.  Focusing on getting the information out and the positive benefits of reducing animal products in the diet is a better approach than undermining each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan&#8217;s suggestions are well meaning, but the passive-aggressive email follow up erks me&#8230; sounds a little too much like a page out of the religious fanatics handbook for bringing ex-members &#8220;back into the fold.&#8221;  Anything that makes vegans seem cultish only works against us in my opinion.  We should be encouraging and supporting those who try to reduce animal products in their diet, not attacking and questioning the motives of people who have to keep some products in their diets for health reasons.  Strict vegan diets work great for some people, but not for others, and we all need to respect each others choices.  Anyone who takes the time to learn about the animal welfare/environmental issues involved in their diet choices and makes the effort to change their lifestyles accordingly, to whatever extent they can is not our enemy.  Ignorance of the issues is our enemy, the disconnect between the suffering of farm animals and the tasty steak sitting on the plate.  The people who pity the cute little baby calf on the farm, then order veal for dinner, they are the people we need to figure out how to reach.  Focusing on getting the information out and the positive benefits of reducing animal products in the diet is a better approach than undermining each other.</p>
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		<title>By: The First Vegan: Donald Watson &#124; Vegan Soapbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>The First Vegan: Donald Watson &#124; Vegan Soapbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Vegblog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bitching Without The Skinny : Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitching Without The Skinny : Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lying vegetarians - the people who eat meat but call themselves vegetarian. Samhita is one of those ex-vegans who think it&#8217;s funny to joke about buying fur coats. They think that qualifies them somehow [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lying vegetarians - the people who eat meat but call themselves vegetarian. Samhita is one of those ex-vegans who think it&#8217;s funny to joke about buying fur coats. They think that qualifies them somehow [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've actually been vegan for almost 2 years now after reading Skinny Bitch.  The humor of the title and the frankness of the writers really attracted me to buy the book--the info. inside it kept me vegan.  Perhaps it would be wise to not judge how people fall into veganism, but rather embrace them once they are there.  It is this sort of hyper-critical holier-than-thou mentality that scares many people away from veganism (acting as though your veganism is somehow more pure since you don't care about your waist size).  If someone stops eating animals and their secretions because they want a smaller ass, then I say score for the animals.  The fact that someone would go vegan because they want to be a "skinny bitch" is a sign that veganism is going mainstream and that's a beautiful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually been vegan for almost 2 years now after reading Skinny Bitch.  The humor of the title and the frankness of the writers really attracted me to buy the book&#8211;the info. inside it kept me vegan.  Perhaps it would be wise to not judge how people fall into veganism, but rather embrace them once they are there.  It is this sort of hyper-critical holier-than-thou mentality that scares many people away from veganism (acting as though your veganism is somehow more pure since you don&#8217;t care about your waist size).  If someone stops eating animals and their secretions because they want a smaller ass, then I say score for the animals.  The fact that someone would go vegan because they want to be a &#8220;skinny bitch&#8221; is a sign that veganism is going mainstream and that&#8217;s a beautiful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: skinny (white) bitches &#171; Vegans of Color</title>
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		<dc:creator>skinny (white) bitches &#171; Vegans of Color</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve also heard folks arguing that this is a good way to get the &#8220;chick lit&#8221; crowd interested in veganism. Stealth conversion, like Latham&#8217;s quote above would seem to indicate. But from my own experiences, &#38; from what I&#8217;ve heard other folks talking about, those who convert to veg*nism for health reasons (I&#8217;m being generous &#38; putting the &#8220;I want to be a skinny bitch&#8221; crowd under &#8220;health&#8221; although really it&#8217;s more about appearance &#38; weight loss) are less likely to stick with it, unless they also have a strong ethical reason for eating the way they do. Is this just going to end up with a crap ton of ex-vegans in a few months? (&#38; we know what a pain in the ass they can be.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve also heard folks arguing that this is a good way to get the &#8220;chick lit&#8221; crowd interested in veganism. Stealth conversion, like Latham&#8217;s quote above would seem to indicate. But from my own experiences, &amp; from what I&#8217;ve heard other folks talking about, those who convert to veg*nism for health reasons (I&#8217;m being generous &amp; putting the &#8220;I want to be a skinny bitch&#8221; crowd under &#8220;health&#8221; although really it&#8217;s more about appearance &amp; weight loss) are less likely to stick with it, unless they also have a strong ethical reason for eating the way they do. Is this just going to end up with a crap ton of ex-vegans in a few months? (&amp; we know what a pain in the ass they can be.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: happy</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed reading all of these different opinions and experiences. I am newly vegan- went from cooking and eating meat and dairy ALL the time to none- over night. It felt like the right ting to do for so many reasons- raising and slaughter of these creatures to the hormones and crap injected into them. I just decided to give it up...all of it. I have noticed a difference in the way I feel- good most of the time but sleepy some of the time. I contribute the sleepiness to my body actually 'working' on my body without all of the dead animals and cheese schmucking it all up.  Ive been researching B12 and how to get it...so Im going to suppliment and see how that goes...
I totally agree w. cdaws- you are right- all of it- yukko!
What is this McDougallers thing? never heard it before today- I plan on researching it- sounds dangerous and not somewhere I want to go;)
My husb does not participate or agree w. me- Im dealing w. that - I think that he will come around to actually enjoy some of the food I make- even if he wants to add sausage to it... Friends and family are very supportive- I have a Dinner Club w. the girls and they want to have a vegan meal once a month in support of me. Thought that was nice of them. I really hope I do not have the same fate as some of you all- that would really suck to HAVE to go back for health reasons. That would be the only reason to ever go back to contributing to the torture and consumption of other lives. Anyhoo. just wanted to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed reading all of these different opinions and experiences. I am newly vegan- went from cooking and eating meat and dairy ALL the time to none- over night. It felt like the right ting to do for so many reasons- raising and slaughter of these creatures to the hormones and crap injected into them. I just decided to give it up&#8230;all of it. I have noticed a difference in the way I feel- good most of the time but sleepy some of the time. I contribute the sleepiness to my body actually &#8216;working&#8217; on my body without all of the dead animals and cheese schmucking it all up.  Ive been researching B12 and how to get it&#8230;so Im going to suppliment and see how that goes&#8230;<br />
I totally agree w. cdaws- you are right- all of it- yukko!<br />
What is this McDougallers thing? never heard it before today- I plan on researching it- sounds dangerous and not somewhere I want to go;)<br />
My husb does not participate or agree w. me- Im dealing w. that - I think that he will come around to actually enjoy some of the food I make- even if he wants to add sausage to it&#8230; Friends and family are very supportive- I have a Dinner Club w. the girls and they want to have a vegan meal once a month in support of me. Thought that was nice of them. I really hope I do not have the same fate as some of you all- that would really suck to HAVE to go back for health reasons. That would be the only reason to ever go back to contributing to the torture and consumption of other lives. Anyhoo. just wanted to share.</p>
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		<title>By: cdaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people would be intelligent about their food cxhoices when making the swir=tch to veganism they would'net suffer so much. I have cut nearly all whites (flour, pasta, sugar) out of my family's diet at home. We eat lots of fruits, vegetables, soy products, whole grains and nuts. If you think you can survive on a diet of pasta and fritos then you WILL feel like shit. Try having a green vegetable once in a while. The B12 vitamin is the only legitimate arguement to not being vegan but most people can get that from supplements. 
On another note, humans stop making the enzyme lactase after the age of 4. Which means we cannot digest 95% of the lactose in our bodies. That means we must not be intended to drink milk past the age of 4! In some cases it begans to disappear at the age of 18 months. We are the ONLY species on the planet that drinks the milk of another species. Cows are NOT milk-producing animals any more than we are. The only time they produce milk is when they have a baby to feed. So the farmers take their calf, sell it for veal and reimpregnate the cow. For an average of five years the cattle go through this horrifying treatment and then they are ground up for burgers. Things that make you go hmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people would be intelligent about their food cxhoices when making the swir=tch to veganism they would&#8217;net suffer so much. I have cut nearly all whites (flour, pasta, sugar) out of my family&#8217;s diet at home. We eat lots of fruits, vegetables, soy products, whole grains and nuts. If you think you can survive on a diet of pasta and fritos then you WILL feel like shit. Try having a green vegetable once in a while. The B12 vitamin is the only legitimate arguement to not being vegan but most people can get that from supplements.<br />
On another note, humans stop making the enzyme lactase after the age of 4. Which means we cannot digest 95% of the lactose in our bodies. That means we must not be intended to drink milk past the age of 4! In some cases it begans to disappear at the age of 18 months. We are the ONLY species on the planet that drinks the milk of another species. Cows are NOT milk-producing animals any more than we are. The only time they produce milk is when they have a baby to feed. So the farmers take their calf, sell it for veal and reimpregnate the cow. For an average of five years the cattle go through this horrifying treatment and then they are ground up for burgers. Things that make you go hmmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: cdaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family has been vegan for six months. I am 29, my husband is 34 and our children are 9, 7, and 22 months. We have never felt better in our lives. I lost 16 pounds right away and the depression I have struggled with most of my life completly disappeared. My 7 year old daughter's chronic constipation cleared up almost overnight and our over all moods and productivity has improved. 
When a person eats meat they are not only ingesting whatever hormones and pesticides that the animal has ingested but they are also eating any illness that animal may have had. Cows are often drug to the kill-floor because they are too ill to walk there. YUM! There is also the fact that the animals who are slaughtered are fully aware of what is happening to them, which triggers several physiological reactions,  such as a spike in blood pressure and a dump of adrenaline into the body. again...YUM! When you eat animals and animal products you are eating horror and pain, anguish and terror, suffering and cruelty. Want some fries with that torture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family has been vegan for six months. I am 29, my husband is 34 and our children are 9, 7, and 22 months. We have never felt better in our lives. I lost 16 pounds right away and the depression I have struggled with most of my life completly disappeared. My 7 year old daughter&#8217;s chronic constipation cleared up almost overnight and our over all moods and productivity has improved.<br />
When a person eats meat they are not only ingesting whatever hormones and pesticides that the animal has ingested but they are also eating any illness that animal may have had. Cows are often drug to the kill-floor because they are too ill to walk there. YUM! There is also the fact that the animals who are slaughtered are fully aware of what is happening to them, which triggers several physiological reactions,  such as a spike in blood pressure and a dump of adrenaline into the body. again&#8230;YUM! When you eat animals and animal products you are eating horror and pain, anguish and terror, suffering and cruelty. Want some fries with that torture?</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have MS, and have never fully adopted a "vegan" diet. 

A while back, I cut out eggs &#38; dairy and noticed my symptoms got increasingly better, so I kept doing it and kept seeing improvements.

I slowly started to cut out meat, and I noticed that my symptoms got increasingly worse. I thought "Oh, it's just the B12" and started taking a B12 supplement. That didn't help. Apparently, my body does not use B12 efficiently. I still take B12 supplements once a month (sub-lingual) but I do eat meat infrequently because my body simply needs the B12 at this point. And using fortified products just does not give it an adequate source for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have MS, and have never fully adopted a &#8220;vegan&#8221; diet. </p>
<p>A while back, I cut out eggs &amp; dairy and noticed my symptoms got increasingly better, so I kept doing it and kept seeing improvements.</p>
<p>I slowly started to cut out meat, and I noticed that my symptoms got increasingly worse. I thought &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s just the B12&#8243; and started taking a B12 supplement. That didn&#8217;t help. Apparently, my body does not use B12 efficiently. I still take B12 supplements once a month (sub-lingual) but I do eat meat infrequently because my body simply needs the B12 at this point. And using fortified products just does not give it an adequate source for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humanely raised animals...what a crock!

Fuck happy meat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humanely raised animals&#8230;what a crock!</p>
<p>Fuck happy meat!</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience as a raw vegan (9 months)

The Good:
Lost weight (down to a 4/6), improved digestion (for a few months)

The Bad:
BAD mood all of the time, no matter what I ate. Very heavy and extremely painful periods within a month of starting that diet, long cycles. 

The Ugly:
Gray teeth (and they are still gray ), hair falling out, increased hypothyroidism, more estrogen dominance, increased ovarian cysts, horribly depressed in the last two months. The teeth part is frustrating because I was blessed with naturally white, straight (w/o braces) teeth and now I can hardly smile because I cant get used to gray, dingy teeth. Now I'm worried about the health of my teeth overall.

That doesn't make the "good" part sound so good. I broke that cycle when I had salmon and brown rice for Thanksgiving. 

Now I eat a diet of humanly raised, grass fed beef, chicken, limited fruits, lots of vegetables and plenty of fats (raw butter, coconut oil) and fermented foods and beverages. I have not gone back to eating grains because of my compromised digestion and gluten intolerance.  

I have never been better health wise in my entire life.  I'm not longer horribly depressed and suicidal, my weight is still down, I have normal cycles, my thyroid levels are normal, no more ovarian cysts, etc and have tons of energy.

My brother on the other hand, has been vegan for the past 15 years and have done very well.  Different strokes for different folks and we should accept that no particular diet works for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience as a raw vegan (9 months)</p>
<p>The Good:<br />
Lost weight (down to a 4/6), improved digestion (for a few months)</p>
<p>The Bad:<br />
BAD mood all of the time, no matter what I ate. Very heavy and extremely painful periods within a month of starting that diet, long cycles. </p>
<p>The Ugly:<br />
Gray teeth (and they are still gray ), hair falling out, increased hypothyroidism, more estrogen dominance, increased ovarian cysts, horribly depressed in the last two months. The teeth part is frustrating because I was blessed with naturally white, straight (w/o braces) teeth and now I can hardly smile because I cant get used to gray, dingy teeth. Now I&#8217;m worried about the health of my teeth overall.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t make the &#8220;good&#8221; part sound so good. I broke that cycle when I had salmon and brown rice for Thanksgiving. </p>
<p>Now I eat a diet of humanly raised, grass fed beef, chicken, limited fruits, lots of vegetables and plenty of fats (raw butter, coconut oil) and fermented foods and beverages. I have not gone back to eating grains because of my compromised digestion and gluten intolerance.  </p>
<p>I have never been better health wise in my entire life.  I&#8217;m not longer horribly depressed and suicidal, my weight is still down, I have normal cycles, my thyroid levels are normal, no more ovarian cysts, etc and have tons of energy.</p>
<p>My brother on the other hand, has been vegan for the past 15 years and have done very well.  Different strokes for different folks and we should accept that no particular diet works for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: groundhog</title>
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		<dc:creator>groundhog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello...

Just like to add my own story here...after years of reading about what might be the perfect diet for humans, and short experiments with such things as macrobiotics, and just plain old vegetarianism, I was very healthy, but constantly reading about health and diet and finally fell into veganism.  A few months after that, began eating according to Dr. McDougall's plan.  Right away, my daughter's ibs improved dramatically, and we were all encouraged.  But also right away, I began having similar symptoms to ibs, for the first time in my life.  Other McDougallers said this was normal after switching from SAD to McDougalling, just temporary, etc., so I ignored it.  Even though the thought never occurred to me that I'd never experienced this with other experiments in diet that I'd tried out previously.  Time went along, life was busy, and I got used to ignoring my symptoms, which became worse and worse over the years.  By the 10th year of McDougalling (my only McDougall slip-ups were that I never quit coffee for more than a few months at a time, and we would eat out, about once every two or three months, in either Japanese or Indian restaurants, and have vegan dishes with oil added...we ordered a vegan pizza now and then too, but the place where we got that was not into using much oil, so it was much lower fat if it was vegan)-- I was 100% vegan for over 10 years, and 99% oil free during that time.  My health got so terrible, and I had gotten so used to just ignoring, even denying my problems, and finally it came to the point where I HAD to figure out what was wrong...I was sick each and every day...BAD sick, and looked terrible too.  I was starving and eating tons and tons of food each day, thinking this is what McDougall said to do.

After lots of digging and trial and error, and reading over discussion boards of celiac organizations, I discovered, through a lot of difficulty and a lot of TIME, that apparently for me, all of the bread, pasta, grainy foods I was eating abundantly in place of the stuff I'd dropped from my diet had instigated either a gluten intolerance or full-blown celiac disease.  It took me 18 months to get back to anywhere near normal, and along the way, during the healing of my chewed up intestines, I became intolerant to some other foods.

This idea, of gluten intolerance or other carbohydrate intolerance, lectin intolerance, etc., doesn't seem to go over well in discussion with most other cooked vegans.  The raw folks are quite open to the idea; however, my attempts at being raw have all been failures.  Now I eat fish, lots of fish, becuase I can't eat soy anymore.  Corn is questionable in small amounts.  I took up eggs to have somethign to eat, and now seem to have on and off intolerance of them too.

I feel the McDougall diet screwed up my body.  I've seen others on his message board with things like ulcerative colitis, different autoimmune diseases, diabetes, etc., who didn't seem to be doing well with either the gluten or other starches or lectins in the legumes, etc.  They are usually treated as just not following the rules...there is big denial going on there, and they either get worse by sticking ever more strictly to ridiculously limited forms of the diet, or they disappear from the board.

This is my story of veganism...not only didn't work for me, but turned me from a healthy person to a sicko.  I don't wanna be militant or angry, but it's hard to be happy about it.  I would have liked hearing a litte bit of warning that so much grain could possibly harm some people...maybe I would have listened to it.  I remember my old SAD days of eating, when I was healthy, 
happy, and even skinny, and could eat and enjoy whatever I wanted...they're gone forever now, because I can never eat 
anything with gluten in it ever again, and have to be extremely careful about what I eat, have to watch out for other intolerances that tend to pop up out of nowhere, etc.  Starch-based veganism is obviously not for everyone...too bad most people find that out after the fact.  Now, in addition to having to be careful about my food selection, I also have to wrangle with my own ethical issues over eating fish, but havne't found out another way to just have enough to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230;</p>
<p>Just like to add my own story here&#8230;after years of reading about what might be the perfect diet for humans, and short experiments with such things as macrobiotics, and just plain old vegetarianism, I was very healthy, but constantly reading about health and diet and finally fell into veganism.  A few months after that, began eating according to Dr. McDougall&#8217;s plan.  Right away, my daughter&#8217;s ibs improved dramatically, and we were all encouraged.  But also right away, I began having similar symptoms to ibs, for the first time in my life.  Other McDougallers said this was normal after switching from SAD to McDougalling, just temporary, etc., so I ignored it.  Even though the thought never occurred to me that I&#8217;d never experienced this with other experiments in diet that I&#8217;d tried out previously.  Time went along, life was busy, and I got used to ignoring my symptoms, which became worse and worse over the years.  By the 10th year of McDougalling (my only McDougall slip-ups were that I never quit coffee for more than a few months at a time, and we would eat out, about once every two or three months, in either Japanese or Indian restaurants, and have vegan dishes with oil added&#8230;we ordered a vegan pizza now and then too, but the place where we got that was not into using much oil, so it was much lower fat if it was vegan)&#8211; I was 100% vegan for over 10 years, and 99% oil free during that time.  My health got so terrible, and I had gotten so used to just ignoring, even denying my problems, and finally it came to the point where I HAD to figure out what was wrong&#8230;I was sick each and every day&#8230;BAD sick, and looked terrible too.  I was starving and eating tons and tons of food each day, thinking this is what McDougall said to do.</p>
<p>After lots of digging and trial and error, and reading over discussion boards of celiac organizations, I discovered, through a lot of difficulty and a lot of TIME, that apparently for me, all of the bread, pasta, grainy foods I was eating abundantly in place of the stuff I&#8217;d dropped from my diet had instigated either a gluten intolerance or full-blown celiac disease.  It took me 18 months to get back to anywhere near normal, and along the way, during the healing of my chewed up intestines, I became intolerant to some other foods.</p>
<p>This idea, of gluten intolerance or other carbohydrate intolerance, lectin intolerance, etc., doesn&#8217;t seem to go over well in discussion with most other cooked vegans.  The raw folks are quite open to the idea; however, my attempts at being raw have all been failures.  Now I eat fish, lots of fish, becuase I can&#8217;t eat soy anymore.  Corn is questionable in small amounts.  I took up eggs to have somethign to eat, and now seem to have on and off intolerance of them too.</p>
<p>I feel the McDougall diet screwed up my body.  I&#8217;ve seen others on his message board with things like ulcerative colitis, different autoimmune diseases, diabetes, etc., who didn&#8217;t seem to be doing well with either the gluten or other starches or lectins in the legumes, etc.  They are usually treated as just not following the rules&#8230;there is big denial going on there, and they either get worse by sticking ever more strictly to ridiculously limited forms of the diet, or they disappear from the board.</p>
<p>This is my story of veganism&#8230;not only didn&#8217;t work for me, but turned me from a healthy person to a sicko.  I don&#8217;t wanna be militant or angry, but it&#8217;s hard to be happy about it.  I would have liked hearing a litte bit of warning that so much grain could possibly harm some people&#8230;maybe I would have listened to it.  I remember my old SAD days of eating, when I was healthy,<br />
happy, and even skinny, and could eat and enjoy whatever I wanted&#8230;they&#8217;re gone forever now, because I can never eat<br />
anything with gluten in it ever again, and have to be extremely careful about what I eat, have to watch out for other intolerances that tend to pop up out of nowhere, etc.  Starch-based veganism is obviously not for everyone&#8230;too bad most people find that out after the fact.  Now, in addition to having to be careful about my food selection, I also have to wrangle with my own ethical issues over eating fish, but havne&#8217;t found out another way to just have enough to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is such an emotional topic for me. I was vegetarian for 8 years and vegan for six. When I transitioned to a vegan diet from a junk-food vegetarian diet at the age of 24, I experienced some of the most wonderful health benefits I'd ever known - weight loss, increase in energy, etc. I kept the McDougall diet from time to time, losing more weight and feeling great. Then I turned 30 and my health became a nightmare. While on the McDougall diet I was diagnosed with gallstones, which led to two surgeries, and am now diagnosed with gastroparesis, meaning that my stomach fails to empty itself within the normal amount of time. This means that I am never hungry, am constantly distended so that I can't fit into my clothes, and occasionally nauseus. I'm lucky too, because most with this condition throw up everything that they eat. I've since realized that I need to pack as much nutrition into each tiny meal as I possibly can. In the midst of all this, I've discovered intolerances to carageenan, which is in a lot, but not all, soy products and also to corn. I can no longer eat legumes because no doctor, naturopathic or allopathic will take bloating and distention seriously if you consume beans of any kind. Now I eat dairy and fish, and you won't hear me calling myself a vegetarian because I don't believe that a person who eats fish is a vegetarian. No one without this condition has any idea what I've gone through this past year. I am trying to get my master's degree and my health has nearly ruined my efforts. I have no desire to spread the word about the harmful effects of a vegan diet, because I believe that every person's body is different, and that it really probably is the best diet for most people, but not all. It was obviously the best diet for me for several years, but I have to deal with the fact that it is no longer the right choice for me. There are some ex-vegans who won't try and talk you out of your choices and perhaps we all need to accept the fact that everyone has different needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such an emotional topic for me. I was vegetarian for 8 years and vegan for six. When I transitioned to a vegan diet from a junk-food vegetarian diet at the age of 24, I experienced some of the most wonderful health benefits I&#8217;d ever known - weight loss, increase in energy, etc. I kept the McDougall diet from time to time, losing more weight and feeling great. Then I turned 30 and my health became a nightmare. While on the McDougall diet I was diagnosed with gallstones, which led to two surgeries, and am now diagnosed with gastroparesis, meaning that my stomach fails to empty itself within the normal amount of time. This means that I am never hungry, am constantly distended so that I can&#8217;t fit into my clothes, and occasionally nauseus. I&#8217;m lucky too, because most with this condition throw up everything that they eat. I&#8217;ve since realized that I need to pack as much nutrition into each tiny meal as I possibly can. In the midst of all this, I&#8217;ve discovered intolerances to carageenan, which is in a lot, but not all, soy products and also to corn. I can no longer eat legumes because no doctor, naturopathic or allopathic will take bloating and distention seriously if you consume beans of any kind. Now I eat dairy and fish, and you won&#8217;t hear me calling myself a vegetarian because I don&#8217;t believe that a person who eats fish is a vegetarian. No one without this condition has any idea what I&#8217;ve gone through this past year. I am trying to get my master&#8217;s degree and my health has nearly ruined my efforts. I have no desire to spread the word about the harmful effects of a vegan diet, because I believe that every person&#8217;s body is different, and that it really probably is the best diet for most people, but not all. It was obviously the best diet for me for several years, but I have to deal with the fact that it is no longer the right choice for me. There are some ex-vegans who won&#8217;t try and talk you out of your choices and perhaps we all need to accept the fact that everyone has different needs.</p>
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		<title>By: cannibal vegetarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>cannibal vegetarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belatedly to Marcy--you're welcome. I'm only a vegetarian myself but have high regard for vegans and aim to be one myself someday. It certainly does seem to elicit some weird emotional responses from some meat eaters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belatedly to Marcy&#8211;you&#8217;re welcome. I&#8217;m only a vegetarian myself but have high regard for vegans and aim to be one myself someday. It certainly does seem to elicit some weird emotional responses from some meat eaters.</p>
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