Comments on: Know Thy Enemy Week #2: The Center for Consumer Freedom http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:59:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ryan http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2381 Ryan Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:40:23 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2381 I'm not arguing that vegetarians are thinner or any of the health arguments. My main point is, like Danielle said, fat doesn't always mean not vegan. Plus, many of the ads and campaigns I've seen seem to make personal attacks against overweight people or make judgements about their lifestyle. Insulting your potential audience isn't a good way to get your point across, you know? I’m not arguing that vegetarians are thinner or any of the health arguments. My main point is, like Danielle said, fat doesn’t always mean not vegan. Plus, many of the ads and campaigns I’ve seen seem to make personal attacks against overweight people or make judgements about their lifestyle. Insulting your potential audience isn’t a good way to get your point across, you know?

]]> By: Danielle http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2380 Danielle Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:49:54 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2380 Sara, statistically speaking, yes, but you will find skinny omnivores and chubby vegans. Sara, statistically speaking, yes, but you will find skinny omnivores and chubby vegans.

]]> By: sara http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2379 sara Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:56:02 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2379 just on the weight issue, but as a statistic, aren't vegetarians generally loads slimmer than their meat-eating counterparts? check this study out: Ann Mangels, Virginia Messina, and Vesanto Melina, "Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Jun. 2003, pp. 748-65. personally, when i look at all the people i know, a striking majority of the overweight are dead-animal munchers... just on the weight issue, but as a statistic, aren’t vegetarians generally loads slimmer than their meat-eating counterparts? check this study out:

Ann Mangels, Virginia Messina, and Vesanto Melina, “Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets,” Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Jun. 2003, pp. 748-65.

personally, when i look at all the people i know, a striking majority of the overweight are dead-animal munchers…

]]> By: jessiegirl http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2378 jessiegirl Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:37:26 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2378 You should check out Marian Nestle's <i> Food Politics</i>. She writes about the so called food police and how even organizations like the American Heart Association aren't acting in the best interest of the people. You should check out Marian Nestle’s Food Politics. She writes about the so called food police and how even organizations like the American Heart Association aren’t acting in the best interest of the people.

]]> By: Danielle http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2377 Danielle Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:34:20 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2377 I'm another chubby vegan, although I did drop a clothing size or two from my omni days. What is lost on both pro-veg groups and the Center for Corporate Freedom (as I call them) is <i>moderation</i>. If you eat tons of junk food, whether it's conventional brands or the vegan stuff, you're going to gain weight. Then again, some people are predisposed to being heavy. Of course, with companies pushing larger and larger sizes and more and more forms of crap, it's no wonder more and more people are obese. When I was a kid, nobody offered sodas in cups that could double as a Chihuahua's swimming pool. I’m another chubby vegan, although I did drop a clothing size or two from my omni days. What is lost on both pro-veg groups and the Center for Corporate Freedom (as I call them) is moderation. If you eat tons of junk food, whether it’s conventional brands or the vegan stuff, you’re going to gain weight. Then again, some people are predisposed to being heavy. Of course, with companies pushing larger and larger sizes and more and more forms of crap, it’s no wonder more and more people are obese. When I was a kid, nobody offered sodas in cups that could double as a Chihuahua’s swimming pool.

]]> By: Karen http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2376 Karen Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:37:25 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2376 Insightful post, news on CCF that i didn't realize. It's good to know y/our enemies, once again... This "thin" veg*n appreciates what you wrote above, thank you. Insightful post, news on CCF that i didn’t realize. It’s good to know y/our enemies, once again… This “thin” veg*n appreciates what you wrote above, thank you.

]]> By: Avian Mooch http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2375 Avian Mooch Wed, 05 Apr 2006 01:29:15 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2006/04/04/know-thy-enemy-week-2-the-center-for-consumer-freedom/#comment-2375 I'm in immense agreement with this one part of your post -- that vegetarian and vegan pushing should not ever be related to "do this and you'll lose weight!" Not only has it been thoroughly debumked by Paul Campos (<i>The Obesity Myth</i>, you can find it at your local library -- but I warn you, he has some fairly abhorrent opinions of vegetarians, but they only appear twice in the book in short sentences), but all the studfies that people say show that losing weight is good for you isn't, and where they "show" it is, it's always accompanied by a diet change, i.e. eating less meat, that leads to better health. Aside from that, I'm a fat vegan that would really like to just be left alone on the issue of weight, please. It's bad enough that the mainstream thinks I'm bodily abhorrent without the non-mainstream thinking that as well. I’m in immense agreement with this one part of your post — that vegetarian and vegan pushing should not ever be related to “do this and you’ll lose weight!” Not only has it been thoroughly debumked by Paul Campos (The Obesity Myth, you can find it at your local library — but I warn you, he has some fairly abhorrent opinions of vegetarians, but they only appear twice in the book in short sentences), but all the studfies that people say show that losing weight is good for you isn’t, and where they “show” it is, it’s always accompanied by a diet change, i.e. eating less meat, that leads to better health.

Aside from that, I’m a fat vegan that would really like to just be left alone on the issue of weight, please. It’s bad enough that the mainstream thinks I’m bodily abhorrent without the non-mainstream thinking that as well.

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