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		<title>By: netlurker</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9662</link>
		<dc:creator>netlurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to confirm that at least some of the stores in the Cincinnati, OH area have BOTH the veggie patties and veggimax.  I just got back from the Mason store.  As always, individual stores vary because of the franchised nature of Subways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to confirm that at least some of the stores in the Cincinnati, OH area have BOTH the veggie patties and veggimax.  I just got back from the Mason store.  As always, individual stores vary because of the franchised nature of Subways.</p>
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		<title>By: metanoia29</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9631</link>
		<dc:creator>metanoia29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope this post isn't too far gone to add another voice!  I'm not vegetarian btw... heck yes for eating meat!

I've been working at Subway for over a year now and I've begun helping out with some management type duties.  The veggie patties we have here (Metro Detroit) are Veggie Max patties.  I finally tried one a few months ago and I've been hooked ever since.  Tastes like a delicious sausage.

The funny thing is that we usually kept out veggie patties frozen until someone ordered one, which was maybe once every few days, simply because the box suggests so.  However, a few months ago we began placing a few patties in a cambro on the bain with all of the other meats.  We get plenty of "Ew, what is that," but as you may have guessed our sales of veggie patties have increased dramatically.  We probably sell about a dozen patties a day and now keep a spare bag of patties in our front cooler.

The moral of the story is: the more people want a product, the more we will sell and promote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope this post isn&#8217;t too far gone to add another voice!  I&#8217;m not vegetarian btw&#8230; heck yes for eating meat!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working at Subway for over a year now and I&#8217;ve begun helping out with some management type duties.  The veggie patties we have here (Metro Detroit) are Veggie Max patties.  I finally tried one a few months ago and I&#8217;ve been hooked ever since.  Tastes like a delicious sausage.</p>
<p>The funny thing is that we usually kept out veggie patties frozen until someone ordered one, which was maybe once every few days, simply because the box suggests so.  However, a few months ago we began placing a few patties in a cambro on the bain with all of the other meats.  We get plenty of &#8220;Ew, what is that,&#8221; but as you may have guessed our sales of veggie patties have increased dramatically.  We probably sell about a dozen patties a day and now keep a spare bag of patties in our front cooler.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is: the more people want a product, the more we will sell and promote it.</p>
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		<title>By: the man with the vegan flan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9351</link>
		<dc:creator>the man with the vegan flan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know they touch ur sandwich w/the same gloves as they do with the meat....ewwwwwwwwwwwww</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know they touch ur sandwich w/the same gloves as they do with the meat&#8230;.ewwwwwwwwwwwww</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9268</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emailed requesting that they provide the information on the website. They did not respond to that but at least they provided me with the detailed information. I am in BC, Can, so I don't know if it's different info if you live somewhere else.

Hope this helps people who found this site by trying to search for the nutrition info (like myself).

Gardenburger:  
Mushrooms, brown rice, onions, rolled oats, part-skim mozzarella, cottage
cheese curd, egg white, cheddar cheese, bulgar wheat, natural seasonings and
spices, autolyzed yeast, sea salt, olive oil, tapioca starch, and vegetable
gum.
  
Calories                           390
Protein (g)                        19
Carbohydrates (g)             66
Sugar                                 6
Fat (g)                                7
Sat. Fat (g)                      2.5
Cholesterol (mg)                 5
Sodium (mg)                    960
Dietary Fiber (g)                 9
 
VegiMax is as follows:
The ingredients: Vegetables (mushrooms, water chestnuts, onions, carrots,
green and red bell peppers, black olives), textured vegetable protein (soy
protein concentrate, wheat gluten, water for hydration), egg whites, cooked
brown rice, rolled oats, corn oil, calcium caseinate, soy sauce (water,
soybeans, salt, wheat), contains 2% or less of onion powder, corn starch,
salt, hydrolyzed corn, soy and wheat protein, autolyzed yeast extract,
natural flavors from non-meat sources, sugar, soy protein isolate, spices,
garlic powder, dextrose, jalapeno pepper powder, celery extract.
 
  
Calories                         390
Protein (g)                       24
Carbohydrates (g)            56
Sugar                               7
Fat (g)                              8
Sat. Fat (g)                    1.5
Cholesterol (mg)              10
Sodium (mg)                1030
Dietary Fiber (g)                7
 
The above values include wheat or white bread, a 3.0 oz patty, and all the
standard vegetables. Cheese or other condiments are not included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed requesting that they provide the information on the website. They did not respond to that but at least they provided me with the detailed information. I am in BC, Can, so I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s different info if you live somewhere else.</p>
<p>Hope this helps people who found this site by trying to search for the nutrition info (like myself).</p>
<p>Gardenburger:<br />
Mushrooms, brown rice, onions, rolled oats, part-skim mozzarella, cottage<br />
cheese curd, egg white, cheddar cheese, bulgar wheat, natural seasonings and<br />
spices, autolyzed yeast, sea salt, olive oil, tapioca starch, and vegetable<br />
gum.</p>
<p>Calories                           390<br />
Protein (g)                        19<br />
Carbohydrates (g)             66<br />
Sugar                                 6<br />
Fat (g)                                7<br />
Sat. Fat (g)                      2.5<br />
Cholesterol (mg)                 5<br />
Sodium (mg)                    960<br />
Dietary Fiber (g)                 9</p>
<p>VegiMax is as follows:<br />
The ingredients: Vegetables (mushrooms, water chestnuts, onions, carrots,<br />
green and red bell peppers, black olives), textured vegetable protein (soy<br />
protein concentrate, wheat gluten, water for hydration), egg whites, cooked<br />
brown rice, rolled oats, corn oil, calcium caseinate, soy sauce (water,<br />
soybeans, salt, wheat), contains 2% or less of onion powder, corn starch,<br />
salt, hydrolyzed corn, soy and wheat protein, autolyzed yeast extract,<br />
natural flavors from non-meat sources, sugar, soy protein isolate, spices,<br />
garlic powder, dextrose, jalapeno pepper powder, celery extract.</p>
<p>Calories                         390<br />
Protein (g)                       24<br />
Carbohydrates (g)            56<br />
Sugar                               7<br />
Fat (g)                              8<br />
Sat. Fat (g)                    1.5<br />
Cholesterol (mg)              10<br />
Sodium (mg)                1030<br />
Dietary Fiber (g)                7</p>
<p>The above values include wheat or white bread, a 3.0 oz patty, and all the<br />
standard vegetables. Cheese or other condiments are not included.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9191</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well…after spending way too much time reading this entire thread I felt compelled to post some sort of response.  There’s a variety of things going on here – some good, some pointless (i.e. neutral) and some bad.  Please feel free to agree or disagree with any of my following sentiments.  But as a prerequisite, I am a vegan.
First, being a vegan is a conscious choice that is not correct for everyone.  This is okay.  There is no single type of vegan – the simple idea that relative dietary choices would create some homogenous group of people is absurd.  We’re all just people who choose not to eat certain foods.  However, with that said, it does draw some sense of community because it’s not the norm (that’s right, I fully admit that it is a rouge element of most societies – I’m alright with that).  I do not think that anyone who eats meat is a murder or a bad person – we don’t share the same belief in foods but that’s cool with me.  I’d let you sit beside me in a restaurant and eat a steak and I would still address you in the same manner as a vegan who was eating some rice noodle pasta.  
Second, because it’s not the norm, being a vegan can be difficult.  It can become a real pain to check the ingredients on all prepackaged foods (I agree just cooking yourself becomes the easiest).  But when you’re on the go it’s the hardest.  Thus, it’s nice to know what you can and can’t eat ahead of time – for that, thank you for the list of ingredients.  I feel fortunate for living in a variety of cities (Washington, DC, New York, LA, London, and Paris) that have been very vegan friendly – but not everyone has these options, so knowing what’s in these foods is very important to some. 
Finally, in all seriousness, what foods you choose to eat have no bearing on who you are as a person.  They might be a mitigating factor; however, they were never a sole cause.  If someone chooses a diet it’s done so because of many other factors (this includes all vegetarians, vegans, and those who are not).  Bigotry always walks a fine line – vegans can be just as bad as those who eat meat (if not worse sometimes).  Tolerance is a learned trait – I wish you all the best and encourage everyone to follow what they feel leaves them satisfied (both inside and outside the kitchen).  Sorry for the long post – thanks for so much material to respond to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well…after spending way too much time reading this entire thread I felt compelled to post some sort of response.  There’s a variety of things going on here – some good, some pointless (i.e. neutral) and some bad.  Please feel free to agree or disagree with any of my following sentiments.  But as a prerequisite, I am a vegan.<br />
First, being a vegan is a conscious choice that is not correct for everyone.  This is okay.  There is no single type of vegan – the simple idea that relative dietary choices would create some homogenous group of people is absurd.  We’re all just people who choose not to eat certain foods.  However, with that said, it does draw some sense of community because it’s not the norm (that’s right, I fully admit that it is a rouge element of most societies – I’m alright with that).  I do not think that anyone who eats meat is a murder or a bad person – we don’t share the same belief in foods but that’s cool with me.  I’d let you sit beside me in a restaurant and eat a steak and I would still address you in the same manner as a vegan who was eating some rice noodle pasta.<br />
Second, because it’s not the norm, being a vegan can be difficult.  It can become a real pain to check the ingredients on all prepackaged foods (I agree just cooking yourself becomes the easiest).  But when you’re on the go it’s the hardest.  Thus, it’s nice to know what you can and can’t eat ahead of time – for that, thank you for the list of ingredients.  I feel fortunate for living in a variety of cities (Washington, DC, New York, LA, London, and Paris) that have been very vegan friendly – but not everyone has these options, so knowing what’s in these foods is very important to some.<br />
Finally, in all seriousness, what foods you choose to eat have no bearing on who you are as a person.  They might be a mitigating factor; however, they were never a sole cause.  If someone chooses a diet it’s done so because of many other factors (this includes all vegetarians, vegans, and those who are not).  Bigotry always walks a fine line – vegans can be just as bad as those who eat meat (if not worse sometimes).  Tolerance is a learned trait – I wish you all the best and encourage everyone to follow what they feel leaves them satisfied (both inside and outside the kitchen).  Sorry for the long post – thanks for so much material to respond to.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9091</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/menunutrition/nutrition/nutritionFAQs.aspx

check it. 

ps - go to chipotle! everything that seems vegan there *is*. the guac, all the salsas, the chips, the tortillas (just not the pinto beans - they're made with bacon i think). yum.</description>
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<p>check it. </p>
<p>ps - go to chipotle! everything that seems vegan there *is*. the guac, all the salsas, the chips, the tortillas (just not the pinto beans - they&#8217;re made with bacon i think). yum.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9050</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just asked to see nutritional info and the store employees were all clueless...only one of three of them looked to be a teenager as well. They haded me a takeout menu when i asked for nutritional info. I wanted if for the veggie max that i had just ordered and they showed me the napkins that have some sandwhiches.. Subway is disapointing, they claim health this and health that but they are not even up to date. Still compared to any other fast food they're way better!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just asked to see nutritional info and the store employees were all clueless&#8230;only one of three of them looked to be a teenager as well. They haded me a takeout menu when i asked for nutritional info. I wanted if for the veggie max that i had just ordered and they showed me the napkins that have some sandwhiches.. Subway is disapointing, they claim health this and health that but they are not even up to date. Still compared to any other fast food they&#8217;re way better!!</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9042</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven't confirmed but I hate to tell you all that I think the bread subway uses is made w/ Lard.

So much for the veggie delight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t confirmed but I hate to tell you all that I think the bread subway uses is made w/ Lard.</p>
<p>So much for the veggie delight!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-9013</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally found the veggie patty nutritional information, but not the ingredients (sorry).  The nutritional information was not on their main web page along with the other sandwiches, rather, I had to go into their FAQs to find the "Complete Nutrition Information" version:  http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/pdf/NutritionValues.pdf 

I have emailed them to request information on the ingredients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally found the veggie patty nutritional information, but not the ingredients (sorry).  The nutritional information was not on their main web page along with the other sandwiches, rather, I had to go into their FAQs to find the &#8220;Complete Nutrition Information&#8221; version:  <a href="http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/pdf/NutritionValues.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://subway.com/subwayroot/MenuNutrition/Nutrition/pdf/NutritionValues.pdf</a> </p>
<p>I have emailed them to request information on the ingredients.</p>
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		<title>By: Tea Wench</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8976</link>
		<dc:creator>Tea Wench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HATE SUBWAY! I will never go in their again. Twice they made me a veggie sandwich without changing their gloves having made a meat sandwich before me. Why should I have to tell them to change their gloves to avoid meat juice on my food.

SUBWAY - YOU ARE A BIG PILL OF POO!

grrrrrrrrrr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HATE SUBWAY! I will never go in their again. Twice they made me a veggie sandwich without changing their gloves having made a meat sandwich before me. Why should I have to tell them to change their gloves to avoid meat juice on my food.</p>
<p>SUBWAY - YOU ARE A BIG PILL OF POO!</p>
<p>grrrrrrrrrr</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8938</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, you're a fool.  If you are genuinely concerned about maintaining a vegan diet, don't eat fast food.  Cook your own, or go to a place that advertises a vegan menu.  Do you honestly believe that some minimum wage subway worker (the bastard you were referring to) was trying to conceal the conspiracy of the non-vegan veggie-max patty?  Is the world really going that far out of its way to screw up your life?  That IS what you get for putting an unknown food in your mouth.  If you cared that much about it, you wouldn't have eaten it.  Next time you should eat at a burger joint, where at least you can get a whaaaa-mburger with you french cries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, you&#8217;re a fool.  If you are genuinely concerned about maintaining a vegan diet, don&#8217;t eat fast food.  Cook your own, or go to a place that advertises a vegan menu.  Do you honestly believe that some minimum wage subway worker (the bastard you were referring to) was trying to conceal the conspiracy of the non-vegan veggie-max patty?  Is the world really going that far out of its way to screw up your life?  That IS what you get for putting an unknown food in your mouth.  If you cared that much about it, you wouldn&#8217;t have eaten it.  Next time you should eat at a burger joint, where at least you can get a whaaaa-mburger with you french cries.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8907</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am soooooo f*ing pissed at subway right now....i asked to see the ingredients to the bread, and she brought the box out to me...ok, then when i asked for the ingredients to the veggie max, she was like o i cant find the box...bs! another blogger went thru the same thing...they just dont want u to know that its not vegan!!! bastards...i ate 2 before i realized...thats what i get for putting the unknown in my mouth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am soooooo f*ing pissed at subway right now&#8230;.i asked to see the ingredients to the bread, and she brought the box out to me&#8230;ok, then when i asked for the ingredients to the veggie max, she was like o i cant find the box&#8230;bs! another blogger went thru the same thing&#8230;they just dont want u to know that its not vegan!!! bastards&#8230;i ate 2 before i realized&#8230;thats what i get for putting the unknown in my mouth!</p>
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		<title>By: kristina</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8871</link>
		<dc:creator>kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok to clear up a little bit of the veggie max drama.... they are not vegan. they either contain milk or are shared on similar equiptment. they are moringstar patties though. there are a lot of ingredients, yet not bad ones.. oh and btw. i work at subway.. so im not some uneducated person lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok to clear up a little bit of the veggie max drama&#8230;. they are not vegan. they either contain milk or are shared on similar equiptment. they are moringstar patties though. there are a lot of ingredients, yet not bad ones.. oh and btw. i work at subway.. so im not some uneducated person lol</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8488</link>
		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you eat at subway you can expect all of your food to be handled either by unwashed hands or meat juice covered gloves. I think subway is one of the better fastfood restaurants, but it is still just fastfood.    If you are looking for a vegan friendly restaurant go to a place that advertises as one.   Many of my friends and i have worked at several different chain restaurants and can almost guarantee that they are only up to code when the inspectors come around.  If you are concerned i would suggest eating at a local quality restaurant or pack your lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you eat at subway you can expect all of your food to be handled either by unwashed hands or meat juice covered gloves. I think subway is one of the better fastfood restaurants, but it is still just fastfood.    If you are looking for a vegan friendly restaurant go to a place that advertises as one.   Many of my friends and i have worked at several different chain restaurants and can almost guarantee that they are only up to code when the inspectors come around.  If you are concerned i would suggest eating at a local quality restaurant or pack your lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2005/03/30/subways-muddled-menu/#comment-8308</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This covers it relatively well:
http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This covers it relatively well:<br />
<a href="http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm</a></p>
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