Comments on: Organic dairy http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/ No, I don’t want to see your new leather couch. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:27:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dominique http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-13644 Dominique Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:11:47 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-13644 Alison - Im also living in the d.f., just fyi there´s a veggie product -falafel - sold in many major stores, i.e. both the superama and the big soriana in Polanco (the Soriana is on the Ejercito Nacional and Moliere, and the Superama is by Metro polanco near Horacio). I just learned, however, that Superamas are owned by evil evil Walmart....rock soup anyone?? Alison – Im also living in the d.f., just fyi there´s a veggie product -falafel – sold in many major stores, i.e. both the superama and the big soriana in Polanco (the Soriana is on the Ejercito Nacional and Moliere, and the Superama is by Metro polanco near Horacio). I just learned, however, that Superamas are owned by evil evil Walmart….rock soup anyone??

]]> By: Heather http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-11879 Heather Tue, 19 May 2009 17:36:10 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-11879 No, not all male calves go to the veal industry, and not all veal calves are shut up in tiny crates. I have been on dairy farms, worked on dairy farms and even owned dairy cattle for my entire life and have never been on a farm where male calves are sold for veal. A number of dairies do support the veal industry, but not all of them. Also, I have a co-worker whose husband sells calves for veal. These calves are raised by their mothers on green pastures and have plenty of room to roam. To answer the question of whether cows are always kept pregnant, yes, cows are expected to have calves every year, as do most other animals in nature. Many farms have bulls with their cows that do what cows and bulls do naturally, and the cow has a calf every year. Does the dairy industry "steal" milk from the calves? All calves are fed some sort of milk until their digestive systems are developed-- just like a baby on breast milk or formula. Many farms do feed their calves milk from their mothers, they just do it in a clean and controlled enviroment so they can assure that the calves are getting the nutrients that they need. (And yes, I have seen some calves who are being raised by their mothers sicken because a) their mother doesn't take care of them, b) their mother doesn't produce enough milk to feed the calf or c) because their mother is sick and has "bad" milk) By hand-raising calves, we can make sure they are on a well-balanced diet and that they thrive. If you don't believe me, actually visit a dairy farm and see where your food is coming from. Don't listen to some stranger on the internet. (Including me... really...go see for yourself!!) No, not all male calves go to the veal industry, and not all veal calves are shut up in tiny crates. I have been on dairy farms, worked on dairy farms and even owned dairy cattle for my entire life and have never been on a farm where male calves are sold for veal. A number of dairies do support the veal industry, but not all of them. Also, I have a co-worker whose husband sells calves for veal. These calves are raised by their mothers on green pastures and have plenty of room to roam.
To answer the question of whether cows are always kept pregnant, yes, cows are expected to have calves every year, as do most other animals in nature. Many farms have bulls with their cows that do what cows and bulls do naturally, and the cow has a calf every year.
Does the dairy industry “steal” milk from the calves? All calves are fed some sort of milk until their digestive systems are developed– just like a baby on breast milk or formula. Many farms do feed their calves milk from their mothers, they just do it in a clean and controlled enviroment so they can assure that the calves are getting the nutrients that they need. (And yes, I have seen some calves who are being raised by their mothers sicken because a) their mother doesn’t take care of them, b) their mother doesn’t produce enough milk to feed the calf or c) because their mother is sick and has “bad” milk) By hand-raising calves, we can make sure they are on a well-balanced diet and that they thrive.
If you don’t believe me, actually visit a dairy farm and see where your food is coming from. Don’t listen to some stranger on the internet. (Including me… really…go see for yourself!!)

]]> By: Chris http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-11864 Chris Fri, 15 May 2009 01:34:51 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-11864 I'm with comment #21, USDA 'standards' are as reliable as cheesecloth for a roof. Just spend a night on you tube and watch how they 'watch'. I would like to think there is cruelty free milk out there somewhere. I enjoy dairy products. Not enjoying them now knowing the 'necessary' evils it inflicts daily. 5-10 years is a long time to be a cooped up baby machine. Looking for a line of products that can produce without the horrors. I’m with comment #21, USDA ‘standards’ are as reliable as cheesecloth for a roof. Just spend a night on you tube and watch how they ‘watch’.
I would like to think there is cruelty free milk out there somewhere. I enjoy dairy products. Not enjoying them now knowing the ‘necessary’ evils it inflicts daily. 5-10 years is a long time to be a cooped up baby machine. Looking for a line of products that can produce without the horrors.

]]> By: Alison http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10646 Alison Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:42:30 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10646 Oh I forgot to mention! I also wanted to see if any of you had seen that show on KERA about soy...they were showing that since the demand for soy is growing they were now having large fields of it in places like the Amazon...yeah, quite upsetting since that pretty much controls the temperature in the whole world, and that well, all this soy craze wasn't that good. Not that this concerns vegs only, since A LOT of products contain soy, whether vegan, vegetarian or not. Anyway, at number 36, I think is definitely true that it isn't only about lifestyle diets but also about people being greedy and over population. Since I turned vegan I never gave a speech about EVERYONE having to be vegetarian, I am not a doctor, so I can only speak for myself and how my body feels, but I don't know if that would go for every body out there. Well I have gone about for long enough...Peace. Oh I forgot to mention!
I also wanted to see if any of you had seen that show on KERA about soy…they were showing that since the demand for soy is growing they were now having large fields of it in places like the Amazon…yeah, quite upsetting since that pretty much controls the temperature in the whole world, and that well, all this soy craze wasn’t that good. Not that this concerns vegs only, since A LOT of products contain soy, whether vegan, vegetarian or not.
Anyway, at number 36, I think is definitely true that it isn’t only about lifestyle diets but also about people being greedy and over population. Since I turned vegan I never gave a speech about EVERYONE having to be vegetarian, I am not a doctor, so I can only speak for myself and how my body feels, but I don’t know if that would go for every body out there.
Well I have gone about for long enough…Peace.

]]> By: Alison http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10645 Alison Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:29:45 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10645 Ok, so I found this website because I was looking for some answers but it seems to me like most of the comments here are a bit biased and based on paranoia and constant references on what the media says about this and that. So even though my post might be another quite extensive one I am hoping to hear some of your experiences, from people that are familiar to vegan or vegetarianism. I have (or had) been a vegan for 4 years, felt great, love it. Recently I started having liver and kidney problems, after going through many tests and doctors, because it just seemed very strange to me since not only was I following a vegan diet, but also I was eating mostly raw and natural home cooked food, no refined foods or things that contained preservatives. I am told, and had also noticed myself, that I need to avoid soy products at least for a while and after that not consume them much because they have caused a hormonal imbalance amongst other things, which after doing research I have found out it has been proven that soy can cause some problems and it's not as good as it is sold out to be. I for one love soy, soy cheese, ice cream and fake chicken, BUT I think that we shall at least give it the benefit of the doubt, since we are doing the same with products labeled as organic. So I didn't think it would be so much of a problem and I have actually seen improvement since I stopped eating soy products, but now I am really getting tired from getting my protein from beans and lentils, and since I live in Mexico city where people are not as familiar with veganism, somewhat vegetarianism but in the unhealthy side of it, meaning they cook vegetables to the point where they have probably no nutricional value, or put too much cream, salt or cheese on dishes so they taste better for people. It has come to the point of total annoyance and difficulty to get to eat something other than salads with no dressing when I eat out because of work or whatever, also I was told to eat mostly organic vegetables, since the pesticides in non organic ones are as bad or worse than eating refined foods or colorings, etc that make the liver work harder, needless to say in most restaurants they don't have organic vegetables. So there are many thoughts going through my mind, for one thing I feel bad even thinking about eating animal products, now it seems like a weird concept to eat something dead, but (I guess because I am not getting a lot of protein since they cut down of soy) my body craves eggs, I have bought organic ones and either way I feel weird. My doctor says there is a reason why the body craves things and I should maybe listen a bit more to it. Also I like cereal a lot, the organic ones that also help wild life...I can't remember the name, are really good and I also love oatmeal, but now that I can't have soy milk (and there is no almond milk here, which either way I remember buying it in the US and it said it had some type of soy aspect in it) my diet has become extremely boring and let's just say that oatmeal with water is no good. I bought some local organic skim milk, it tastes so sweet, I didn't remember the taste of milk, it took a while to get used to, although I did not get an upset stomach as I thought I would. This had been going for about 3 weeks, now I am craving cheese, is so weird since I never had a craving in the 4 years I was vegan, so I bought Organic Valley cheese, it seems okay, just a bit heavy, but no stomachache. I am still worried about the animals and if organic dairy is better, I don't know if to believe all that is said here or said anywhere, period. Since for example, organizations like PETA are extremely biased and I used to work for them and got quite disappointed to see that even if they were shown facts about anything, they would not listen. Which to me that said a lot about their intelligence. I love animals and believe it's worth to go the extra mile, whether money or effort, to help them and at the same time help ourselves, the earth and our health. But I also believe life is to be enjoyed and I sure don't enjoy it when I am out with friends or just by myself and I eat something I don't quite enjoy or go without eating because there is nothing TOTALLY vegan, and I don't enjoy being sick either. My boyfriend eats meat, drinks milk (a lot of it) and doesn't think much about what he puts in his mouth, and is actually healthy, not only thin, because that can be age or whatever, he is totally healthy. Not that I think his way of life is the best, I don't think I could eat meat or other non organic animal products, even if I were starving to death. So I would like not to discuss who is right or wrong but to hear if any of you has had this issues and if you could tell me the companies that I SHOULD buy from (I don't care to hear about the bad ones) or maybe other substitutes for milk or if anyone can tell me if whole or skim is better, organic of course. Anything that you think might help. Let's unite and give ourselves options, rather than fight about who is right and who is believing lies, is an idiot or whatever... Much love and thank you. Ok, so I found this website because I was looking for some answers but it seems to me like most of the comments here are a bit biased and based on paranoia and constant references on what the media says about this and that. So even though my post might be another quite extensive one I am hoping to hear some of your experiences, from people that are familiar to vegan or vegetarianism.

I have (or had) been a vegan for 4 years, felt great, love it.
Recently I started having liver and kidney problems, after going through many tests and doctors, because it just seemed very strange to me since not only was I following a vegan diet, but also I was eating mostly raw and natural home cooked food, no refined foods or things that contained preservatives.
I am told, and had also noticed myself, that I need to avoid soy products at least for a while and after that not consume them much because they have caused a hormonal imbalance amongst other things, which after doing research I have found out it has been proven that soy can cause some problems and it’s not as good as it is sold out to be. I for one love soy, soy cheese, ice cream and fake chicken, BUT I think that we shall at least give it the benefit of the doubt, since we are doing the same with products labeled as organic.

So I didn’t think it would be so much of a problem and I have actually seen improvement since I stopped eating soy products, but now I am really getting tired from getting my protein from beans and lentils, and since I live in Mexico city where people are not as familiar with veganism, somewhat vegetarianism but in the unhealthy side of it, meaning they cook vegetables to the point where they have probably no nutricional value, or put too much cream, salt or cheese on dishes so they taste better for people. It has come to the point of total annoyance and difficulty to get to eat something other than salads with no dressing when I eat out because of work or whatever, also I was told to eat mostly organic vegetables, since the pesticides in non organic ones are as bad or worse than eating refined foods or colorings, etc that make the liver work harder, needless to say in most restaurants they don’t have organic vegetables.

So there are many thoughts going through my mind, for one thing I feel bad even thinking about eating animal products, now it seems like a weird concept to eat something dead, but (I guess because I am not getting a lot of protein since they cut down of soy) my body craves eggs, I have bought organic ones and either way I feel weird. My doctor says there is a reason why the body craves things and I should maybe listen a bit more to it.
Also I like cereal a lot, the organic ones that also help wild life…I can’t remember the name, are really good and I also love oatmeal, but now that I can’t have soy milk (and there is no almond milk here, which either way I remember buying it in the US and it said it had some type of soy aspect in it) my diet has become extremely boring and let’s just say that oatmeal with water is no good.
I bought some local organic skim milk, it tastes so sweet, I didn’t remember the taste of milk, it took a while to get used to, although I did not get an upset stomach as I thought I would.
This had been going for about 3 weeks, now I am craving cheese, is so weird since I never had a craving in the 4 years I was vegan, so I bought Organic Valley cheese, it seems okay, just a bit heavy, but no stomachache. I am still worried about the animals and if organic dairy is better, I don’t know if to believe all that is said here or said anywhere, period. Since for example, organizations like PETA are extremely biased and I used to work for them and got quite disappointed to see that even if they were shown facts about anything, they would not listen. Which to me that said a lot about their intelligence.

I love animals and believe it’s worth to go the extra mile, whether money or effort, to help them and at the same time help ourselves, the earth and our health.
But I also believe life is to be enjoyed and I sure don’t enjoy it when I am out with friends or just by myself and I eat something I don’t quite enjoy or go without eating because there is nothing TOTALLY vegan, and I don’t enjoy being sick either.

My boyfriend eats meat, drinks milk (a lot of it) and doesn’t think much about what he puts in his mouth, and is actually healthy, not only thin, because that can be age or whatever, he is totally healthy.
Not that I think his way of life is the best, I don’t think I could eat meat or other non organic animal products, even if I were starving to death. So I would like not to discuss who is right or wrong but to hear if any of you has had this issues and if you could tell me the companies that I SHOULD buy from (I don’t care to hear about the bad ones) or maybe other substitutes for milk or if anyone can tell me if whole or skim is better, organic of course.
Anything that you think might help.

Let’s unite and give ourselves options, rather than fight about who is right and who is believing lies, is an idiot or whatever…

Much love and thank you.

]]> By: Shannon http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10436 Shannon Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:04:12 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10436 I was waiting - for a long time - for SOMEONE to mention the veal industry! In order to get the massive amount of milk required to sustain this ridiculous business, the males are totally useless and would only consume the "product", so are either killed right after birth or sold to veal farms within a day or two. I don't think I have to mention the incredible cruelty - beyond what people think they know. It's not just that they are forced into a crate that is so small they can only lie down - cramped. They cannot stretch their legs, their backs become permanently (for their short lives) hunched up because that's the way they are growing. They are chained so that they cannot move. The lie in their own excrement, and are fed a liquid anemic diet. No movement makes muscles soft, and anemia keep them white. Wow, what a luxury veal is. I would say 9 of 10 people do not eat veal because it's "cruel". But they think nothing of loading up on dairy which is directly responsible for veal. Not to mention dairy is unnatural. Milk is for INFANTS and should be their OWN SPECIES. Ask someone if they would drink human milk and they would probably feel nauseated. Or hey, milk from a dog! Or a horse, or a pig, they're all farm animals! Who the hell thought up milk for adult humans? Also, milk is full of pus that comes from the machines constantly attached to their udders and causing infections to the nipple. Pasteurization doesn't remove that. Most dairy is loaded with fat or it wouldn't "taste as good". Skim butter? Skim cream cheese? Skim cheese? Dairy is a leading cause of obesity - it's in everything! Soy products are just as good, but very little, if any FAT OR CHOLESTEROL!. If any of you dairy consumers every tried the many flavors of soy milk, soy cream cheese, soy ice cream, soy butter, soy sour cream, you would be amazed at how very similar or even identical in taste they are. Soy products have come a very long way since more and more people are going vegan for the animals' sake and their own health, not to mention the reduction in factory farming (i.e. methane, the leading cause of global warming) - check the U.N. study from November 2007. Dairy is perhaps the most evil of all farming production. And don't tell me ANY farmers of dairy sit down on a bucket while they manually milk all the cows when they come in from grazing in a pasture. Cows don't sleep on mattresses in a shed. They eat GRASS, not grain. Grain is fed to farm animals because there isn't room to pasture all those animals to eat grass, which is the natural diet for them; grain is cheap. Dairy is also very harmful to health, period. Check out PCRM.org, an organization of scientists and MDs that study this for a living, and know much more than people's opinions here. I am a member and know the senior researcher personally. They are a wealth of the truth behind meat and dairy. If it were so good for us, why would it be a cause of high blood pressure, heart attacks, colon, prostate and breast cancers, all the number one and two reasons of death? Vegans don't consume ANY cholesterol (which is the root cause of all cardiac problems, blood pressure and strokes), because only ANIMALS contain cholesterol and that includes dairy and eggs. So, we have cruelty to the cows (ending up in slaughter and deprived of natural needs), their calves (veal or more dairy cattle), obesity, death to humans and global warming. Did I leave anything out? There is NO reason to consume dairy except that people like the taste. Or meat, which is much worse, but that's another blog altogether. Like the above link about tradition stated: Just because it's been done for years or decades or even hundreds of years doesn't make it right. Remember those ads the Dairy Council ran that if you drank three eight ounce servings of milk a day you would lose weight? WRONG! PCRM.org gave their correct reports to the USDA and the FDA and they did have to pull them. Now they are stating the same serving will help you "maintain" your weight. I suppose that's true if you're already fat. I was waiting – for a long time – for SOMEONE to mention the veal industry! In order to get the massive amount of milk required to sustain this ridiculous business, the males are totally useless and would only consume the “product”, so are either killed right after birth or sold to veal farms within a day or two. I don’t think I have to mention the incredible cruelty – beyond what people think they know. It’s not just that they are forced into a crate that is so small they can only lie down – cramped. They cannot stretch their legs, their backs become permanently (for their short lives) hunched up because that’s the way they are growing. They are chained so that they cannot move. The lie in their own excrement, and are fed a liquid anemic diet. No movement makes muscles soft, and anemia keep them white. Wow, what a luxury veal is. I would say 9 of 10 people do not eat veal because it’s “cruel”. But they think nothing of loading up on dairy which is directly responsible for veal. Not to mention dairy is unnatural. Milk is for INFANTS and should be their OWN SPECIES. Ask someone if they would drink human milk and they would probably feel nauseated. Or hey, milk from a dog! Or a horse, or a pig, they’re all farm animals! Who the hell thought up milk for adult humans? Also, milk is full of pus that comes from the machines constantly attached to their udders and causing infections to the nipple. Pasteurization doesn’t remove that. Most dairy is loaded with fat or it wouldn’t “taste as good”. Skim butter? Skim cream cheese? Skim cheese? Dairy is a leading cause of obesity – it’s in everything! Soy products are just as good, but very little, if any FAT OR CHOLESTEROL!. If any of you dairy consumers every tried the many flavors of soy milk, soy cream cheese, soy ice cream, soy butter, soy sour cream, you would be amazed at how very similar or even identical in taste they are. Soy products have come a very long way since more and more people are going vegan for the animals’ sake and their own health, not to mention the reduction in factory farming (i.e. methane, the leading cause of global warming) – check the U.N. study from November 2007. Dairy is perhaps the most evil of all farming production. And don’t tell me ANY farmers of dairy sit down on a bucket while they manually milk all the cows when they come in from grazing in a pasture. Cows don’t sleep on mattresses in a shed. They eat GRASS, not grain. Grain is fed to farm animals because there isn’t room to pasture all those animals to eat grass, which is the natural diet for them; grain is cheap. Dairy is also very harmful to health, period. Check out PCRM.org, an organization of scientists and MDs that study this for a living, and know much more than people’s opinions here. I am a member and know the senior researcher personally. They are a wealth of the truth behind meat and dairy. If it were so good for us, why would it be a cause of high blood pressure, heart attacks, colon, prostate and breast cancers, all the number one and two reasons of death? Vegans don’t consume ANY cholesterol (which is the root cause of all cardiac problems, blood pressure and strokes), because only ANIMALS contain cholesterol and that includes dairy and eggs. So, we have cruelty to the cows (ending up in slaughter and deprived of natural needs), their calves (veal or more dairy cattle), obesity, death to humans and global warming. Did I leave anything out? There is NO reason to consume dairy except that people like the taste. Or meat, which is much worse, but that’s another blog altogether. Like the above link about tradition stated: Just because it’s been done for years or decades or even hundreds of years doesn’t make it right. Remember those ads the Dairy Council ran that if you drank three eight ounce servings of milk a day you would lose weight? WRONG! PCRM.org gave their correct reports to the USDA and the FDA and they did have to pull them. Now they are stating the same serving will help you “maintain” your weight. I suppose that’s true if you’re already fat.

]]> By: Lauren http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10249 Lauren Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:32:40 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10249 organic valley is defiantly the best organic milk to buy, that's if you drink milk...i drink soy :) organic valley is defiantly the best organic milk to buy, that’s if you drink milk…i drink soy :)

]]> By: Tyler http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10208 Tyler Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:50:03 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10208 Wow, a lot of this is really interesting, and random...I too was searching who owned Kashi. Anyways, there's no doubt about it, the dairy industry is flawed. Humans are the only mammal which even consider drinking milk as teens/adults...an odd concept to me. If you consume milk at all consider alternatives like soy, almond (though the decline of bees is a threat to the very existence of almonds), or rice milk (though its packed with carbohydrates). These are all viable alternatives if you must consume milk. Look into vegan ice cream if you can't break the ice cream habit, there are MANY options and recipes often utilizing soy or rice for a creamy, cold dessert. Many of you have gotten off on all sorts of tangents, my comment to some of you in regards to organic farming, buy locally for sure. Corporations are evil, its as simple as that. They only feed the human tendency to pollute ourselves with greed and meaningless things; they drive an unethical approach to consumerism, which is merely obsessed with growth..MORE. Anyways, if you do buy locally, another way to supplement your efforts, and an often cheaper way is consider growing your own produce, whether potted, in a backyard garden, or a community garden, its a very realistic alternative. To boost your efforts try composting, an activity that will greatly contribute to cutting down the amount of trash you spit out every week. Back to corporations, not to spout pointlessly blind youthful idealism, some corporations are ethical and making conscious efforts to promote morality, but do your research...know where companies stand. Peace. Wow, a lot of this is really interesting, and random…I too was searching who owned Kashi.

Anyways, there’s no doubt about it, the dairy industry is flawed. Humans are the only mammal which even consider drinking milk as teens/adults…an odd concept to me. If you consume milk at all consider alternatives like soy, almond (though the decline of bees is a threat to the very existence of almonds), or rice milk (though its packed with carbohydrates). These are all viable alternatives if you must consume milk.

Look into vegan ice cream if you can’t break the ice cream habit, there are MANY options and recipes often utilizing soy or rice for a creamy, cold dessert.

Many of you have gotten off on all sorts of tangents, my comment to some of you in regards to organic farming, buy locally for sure. Corporations are evil, its as simple as that. They only feed the human tendency to pollute ourselves with greed and meaningless things; they drive an unethical approach to consumerism, which is merely obsessed with growth..MORE.

Anyways, if you do buy locally, another way to supplement your efforts, and an often cheaper way is consider growing your own produce, whether potted, in a backyard garden, or a community garden, its a very realistic alternative. To boost your efforts try composting, an activity that will greatly contribute to cutting down the amount of trash you spit out every week.

Back to corporations, not to spout pointlessly blind youthful idealism, some corporations are ethical and making conscious efforts to promote morality, but do your research…know where companies stand.

Peace.

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]]> By: Laura http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10006 Laura Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:50:20 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10006 Thanks you guys for all of the useful information. And you all are right a lot of the organic food today isn't really it's just a marketing ploy. <a href='http://www.organics123.com/' title='Organic Foods' rel="nofollow">Organic Foods</a> Thanks you guys for all of the useful information. And you all are right a lot of the organic food today isn’t really it’s just a marketing ploy.
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]]> By: Ryan http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10004 Ryan Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:27:54 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10004 <em>So only one person touched on the subject I am still trying to find an answer for…does drinking milk (even if its organic) always involve keeping the cows pregnant and then taking the calves for veal?</em> Yes. As simple as that. The cow's milk is meant for the baby, but in order for people to get use out of it, the baby has to be taken out of the picture. That means either using the baby for veal (if it's male) or turning her into another dairy cow (if it's a female). So only one person touched on the subject I am still trying to find an answer for…does drinking milk (even if its organic) always involve keeping the cows pregnant and then taking the calves for veal?

Yes.

As simple as that.

The cow’s milk is meant for the baby, but in order for people to get use out of it, the baby has to be taken out of the picture. That means either using the baby for veal (if it’s male) or turning her into another dairy cow (if it’s a female).

]]> By: Peggy http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10003 Peggy Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:27:38 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-10003 So only one person touched on the subject I am still trying to find an answer for...does drinking milk (even if its organic) always involve keeping the cows pregnant and then taking the calves for veal? I do not eat meat of any kind, no fish either after going on one of PETA's sites, but I am a bit addicited to cheese of all kinds but i don't think I can continue if I am contributing to the veal industry...please help. So only one person touched on the subject I am still trying to find an answer for…does drinking milk (even if its organic) always involve keeping the cows pregnant and then taking the calves for veal? I do not eat meat of any kind, no fish either after going on one of PETA’s sites, but I am a bit addicited to cheese of all kinds but i don’t think I can continue if I am contributing to the veal industry…please help.

]]> By: Sir http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-9712 Sir Mon, 19 May 2008 02:13:56 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-9712 I have thought the same thing as Karrel for some time now. Overpopulation is the root of all our problems. From factory farms to pollution. But us humans are too selfish to even think about that, as if it's our divine right to spit out as many resource gobbling offspring as we possibly can. Perhaps this is why nature seems to be smacking us around lately. It's trying to put out the wild fire of humanity before it consumes the planet and leaves it a barren ball of dust. Funny how a search on why organic milk seems to last longer ended in this. Glad to know someone shares my thoughts though! I have thought the same thing as Karrel for some time now. Overpopulation is the root of all our problems. From factory farms to pollution. But us humans are too selfish to even think about that, as if it’s our divine right to spit out as many resource gobbling offspring as we possibly can. Perhaps this is why nature seems to be smacking us around lately. It’s trying to put out the wild fire of humanity before it consumes the planet and leaves it a barren ball of dust. Funny how a search on why organic milk seems to last longer ended in this. Glad to know someone shares my thoughts though!

]]> By: Kristi http://www.vegblog.org/archive/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-9119 Kristi Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:23:39 +0000 http://new.vegblog.org/2000/12/04/organic-dairy/#comment-9119 I'm new to all of this - just went veg, working on cutting out all dairy because the thought of all the cruelty to these animals. I so want to believe that the small family owned farms are not cruel to the animals, especially growing up in WI (although not on a farm). Has anyone been to any farms in the northern CO area where they have seen people treating animals as they should? I am just really confused, I'm sure I can get myself off dairy eventually but it's going to take some time and I don't want to feel miserable every day I'm working on it. I’m new to all of this – just went veg, working on cutting out all dairy because the thought of all the cruelty to these animals. I so want to believe that the small family owned farms are not cruel to the animals, especially growing up in WI (although not on a farm). Has anyone been to any farms in the northern CO area where they have seen people treating animals as they should? I am just really confused, I’m sure I can get myself off dairy eventually but it’s going to take some time and I don’t want to feel miserable every day I’m working on it.

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